Mounted and Jousting clarification

[B_lucky]

With players from my group we had discussion about one rule and can't get conclusion.

Question is about two rules

Mounted
and
Jousting

We are agree that jousting give circumstance +1dmg per weapon dice if mount moves 10 feet or more

But we can't agree about mounted.

First part is clear for us if mount mow 10 feet or more attack get +2 circumstance bonus per weapon dice.

Second part is a problem if your weapon already have jousting trait increase trait's damage bonus by 2.

Part of us things that means justing is increased by 2 which give +3dmg per dice

Others that mounted is increased by 2 which gives +4dmg per dice

And we realy want to know which interpretation is correct.

[Errenor]

It was hard to even find and understand what were you talking about. Please properly name things you want to know about and link them from AoN.
Well, if you are talking about Support ability of horse:
"Support Benefit Until the start of your next turn, if you’re mounted on your horse and moved 10 feet or more on the action before a melee Strike, add a circumstance bonus to damage for that Strike equal to twice the number of weapon damage dice. If your weapon already has the jousting weapon trait, increase the trait’s damage bonus by 2 per die instead."
and weapon trait jousting:
"...When mounted, if you moved at least 10 feet on the action before your attack, add a circumstance bonus to damage for that attack equal to the number of damage dice for the weapon..."
then when both are combined you get 1+2=3 damage per die circumstance bonus to damage. 1 from base trait, 2 from horse support.
Being mounted alone doesn't give any bonus to damage.

[Plane]

Bonuses of the same type don't stack. If you get a +2 circumstance bonus from one effect, it overrides any +1 circumstance bonuses you get from other effects.

[HammerJack]

If it's about Horse Animal Companion support, it isn't a +2 Circumstance Bonus and a +1 Circumstance bonus. It is an effect that specifically says to increase the +1 Circumstance bonus by 2. So 1+2=3 would be the correct math.

[Plane]

That is correct. It does spell out that it goes to +3 instead of +1.

[Errenor]

HammerJack wrote:

If it's about Horse Animal Companion support, it isn't a +2 Circumstance Bonus and a +1 Circumstance bonus. It is an effect that specifically says to increase the +1 Circumstance bonus by 2. So 1+2=3 would be the correct math.

Yeah. Armor runes do the same trick: you can't stack item bonuses, but they don't do that, they increase armor's bonus.

[B_lucky]

Plane wrote:

Bonuses of the same type don't stack. If you get a +2 circumstance bonus from one effect, it overrides any +1 circumstance bonuses you get from other effects.

I think your answer give exactly what we looking for.

We wanted to know how calculate bonus dmg from jousting and mounted trait together.

A specialy how work last part of horse mounted trait.

That increase by 2 is to jousting and final damage is 1+2=3

Or

That increase by 2 is to mounted and final damage is 2+2=4

Sorry my english in writing isn't wery well.

[shroudb]

B_lucky wrote:

Plane wrote:

Bonuses of the same type don't stack. If you get a +2 circumstance bonus from one effect, it overrides any +1 circumstance bonuses you get from other effects.

I think your answer give exactly what we looking for.

We wanted to know how calculate bonus dmg from jousting and mounted trait together.

A specialy how work last part of horse mounted trait.

That increase by 2 is to jousting and final damage is 1+2=3

Or

That increase by 2 is to mounted and final damage is 2+2=4

Sorry my english in writing isn't wery well.

increase "the trait's" damage by 2.

The trait is the Jousting. The 2/die is the Support Benefit.

So, the Support benefit is 2 per die, but if you have the Jousting Trait, you increase THIS trait by 2 INSTEAD.

So, it's either 2/die or 3/die depending if you use a jousting weapon or not.

[Sir Belmont the Valiant, II]

Would a Centaur moving 10' or more with a Lance (Jousting trait) receive all of these bonuses to damage?

[HammerJack]

Sir Belmont the Valiant, II wrote:

Would a Centaur moving 10' or more with a Lance (Jousting trait) receive all of these bonuses to damage?

No, centaur has no special mechanics like that for jousting weapons.

[BotBrain]

Sir Belmont the Valiant, II wrote:

Would a Centaur moving 10' or more with a Lance (Jousting trait) receive all of these bonuses to damage?

As written - no. Centaurs don't count as automatically being mounted despite being a mount. It's certainly a houserule one could consider though.

[Sir Belmont the Valiant, II]

Well, I guess someone riding a horse has invested resources (Animal Companion / Mount) into it, a Centaur hasn't. It just feels odd.

[TheFinish]

Sir Belmont the Valiant, II wrote:

Well, I guess someone riding a horse has invested resources (Animal Companion / Mount) into it, a Centaur hasn't. It just feels odd.

A centaur has technically invested in being a Centaur, with all the good and bad that brings. If a player wanted the jousting bonus I'd honestly probably make it into a 1st level Ancestry feat.