PFS2e - Dragon Disciple (Are Primal or Imperial Dragon Types legal choices)


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I asked this on the discord and didn't get a clear answer. If you were a spell scaled kobold can you select primal or imperial dragon types as part of the Dragon Disciple archetype? As a follow-up question, can a dragon scaled kobold select these as well even though the heritage is more prescriptive? The description of these dragons and associated energy/damage types are as follows:

Primal:
- brine (acid)
- cloud (electricity)
- crystal (piercing)
- magma (fire),
- umbral (negative)

Imperial:
- forest (piercing)
- sea (bludgeoning)
- sky (electricity)
- sovereign (mental)
- underworld (fire)

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

There is nothing that answers your question in the Pathfinder FAQ

And it's not in the Pathfinder Society FAQ

Nor is it in the Guide to Organized Play

I thought there might be something on the Character Options page, but I don't see anything there, either.

So I would recommend going with the most conservative interpretation of how all those rules interact, in case you come across a conservative GM, until more information becomes available at a future date.

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Lost Omens Mwangi Expanse added additional dragon types for the two draconic sorcerer bloodlines. Because a Dragon Disciple must match their sorcerer bloodline, if any, and the added dragon types are standard availability, it follows that a Dragon Disciple can choose a primal or imperial dragon (as allowed for in the dedication).

Dragon-scaled kobold is entirely separate from draconic sorcerer bloodlines and reference a specific table that was not explicitly expanded. So, no primal and imperial dragons are not valid for a kobold's draconic exemplar.

Sovereign Court 4/5 5/5 ** Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden

Dragon Disciple must match the sorcerer bloodline if you have it, so if you're one of those sorcerers, then yes you can (and must).

Dragon barbarians and dragonscaled kobolds don't have access to those bloodlines, so you can't use it with dragon disciple that way.

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Quote:
[NEW - November 2022] - The wyrmblessed sorcerer bloodline (page 75) provides options for primal and imperial dragons. Character with a similar draconic connection, such as draconic bloodline sorcerors or draconic instinct barbarians, can also select from these dragon types. You must own a copy of Lost Omens: The Mwangi Expanse to select these options.

November's update to the Character Options page lists only two examples, but I'm guessing that kobolds and dragon disciples also count as characters with a "draconic connection"?

Follow-up question - The primal and imperial dragons introduced a new burst breath weapon (10 ft. burst within 30 ft.). If you are doing that with a half-size breath weapon (such as for Dragon's Rage Breath or Kobold Breath), what size would it be? I'm assuming it would be a 5 ft. burst, but would the range be 30 ft. or 15 ft.?

Dark Archive 4/5 *** Venture-Lieutenant, Finland—Turku

So, the first part seems kinda clear that Kobolds and Dragon Disciplines count as characters with "draconic connections" and should be allowed to choose the new types. Otherwise the sanctioning text would have said just "sorcerers and barbarians" instead of using those as just an example.

The second part seems a bit more tricky.
For Dragon's Rage Breath, it specifically says it halves damage and Area, so I would rule it doesn't change the range. It's 5ft burst, 30ft range.

For Kobolds it becomes tricky: Kobolds don't say anything about "half-area" or similar. Without the context of Dragon's Rage Breath, I would have said that they just do 30ft line, 15ft cone, or 10ft burst, which makes the burst pretty strong compared to those two.
With Dragon's Rage Breath in the equation, this would mean that a dragon disciple breaths 60t/30ft/10ft line/cone/burst that gets reduced to 30ft/15ft/5ft line/cone/burst when the kobold gets 30ft/15ft/10ft instead, and this seems unintended.

Honestly, I have no idea how the kobold burst is supposed to work, but unless/until there's a clarification, I'd encourage players to assume it follows a similar logic with a 5ft burst.

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