Lawful Good and the Cold Domain


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I want to play a paladin with the cold domain. Are there any canonical deities that are suitable for a lawful good paladin that have it? (Or deities from 1e that haven't been included in 2e yet that could have it?)

Liberty's Edge

I could find zero such deity in PF2 and also none in PF1 for the Ice subdomain.

Lots of Evil, some Chaotic, but zero that is LG-compatible.


*check up AoN Looks like all the good Deities with the cold domain are non-lawful
I was actually surprised how few evil deities there are

Liberty's Edge

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Now, Apsu looks like a Silver Dragon and has Paladins. So you could ask your GM to allow you to take the Splinter Faith Cleric feat to include Cold in Apsu's domains.


I don't know a lawful good deity with cold domain. For others alignments we have some but not LG.

Currently the only way to have the cold domain with a LG char is using Splinter Faith but this will weaken your domain spells for 1 spell level bellow.


That's rough. I'd rather not ask for homebrewing a deity.

Pathfinder writers, on the off chance you read this we need more cold domain deities.

Meanwhile, are there any 1e deities that haven't been converted that may be updated to include the cold domain?


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It's actually thinner on the ground in 1st ed than in 2nd in some ways. There's no cold domain at all. The closest you get is the ice subdomain of the water domain, which nets you Kostchtchie(CE), Ithaqua(CE), Inkariax(LE), Charon (NE), Orgesh (CE), Pharasma (N), Sithhud(CE), Thremyr(CE), Tolc(CG), Uzumae(LE), and Yamatsumi(N).

So, from there, looking at the deities that are only two steps away on the alignment chart, we've got Pharasma, Inkariax, Uzumae, and Tolc.

- Pharasma(N) has been converted to 2nd edition, does not have cold domain, and does not accept LG followers.

- Inkariax(LE) has not been converted, but his subdomans are Fear, Ice, Isolation, and Slavery. That one doesn't seem likely to go anywhere you'd want to go. (Areas of Concern are absolute cold, preservation, and solitude, which aren't *so* bad, but that Slavery bit is pretty much a deal-killer.)

- Uzumae(LE) has not been converted. His areas of concern are blizzards, frozen ghosts, and starvation. His subdomains are fear, ice, murder, and the undead. That one's not lookign loo likely either

- Tolc(CG) has not been converted. Further, there's not all that much to convert. He seems to be mostly about surviving the frozen wilderness. So... probably still not a good bet.

and that's it. Everyone else is NE, CE, or CN.


Does anyone know if theres any "weather" or perhaps "water" lawful good appropriate deities of 1e that have not been converted that might fit gaining the cold domain?

Or any others that might be fitting?


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Sanityfaerie wrote:

It's actually thinner on the ground in 1st ed than in 2nd in some ways. There's no cold domain at all. The closest you get is the ice subdomain of the water domain, which nets you Kostchtchie(CE), Ithaqua(CE), Inkariax(LE), Charon (NE), Orgesh (CE), Pharasma (N), Sithhud(CE), Thremyr(CE), Tolc(CG), Uzumae(LE), and Yamatsumi(N).

So, from there, looking at the deities that are only two steps away on the alignment chart, we've got Pharasma, Inkariax, Uzumae, and Tolc.

- Pharasma(N) has been converted to 2nd edition, does not have cold domain, and does not accept LG followers.

- Inkariax(LE) has not been converted, but his subdomans are Fear, Ice, Isolation, and Slavery. That one doesn't seem likely to go anywhere you'd want to go. (Areas of Concern are absolute cold, preservation, and solitude, which aren't *so* bad, but that Slavery bit is pretty much a deal-killer.)

- Uzumae(LE) has not been converted. His areas of concern are blizzards, frozen ghosts, and starvation. His subdomains are fear, ice, murder, and the undead. That one's not lookign loo likely either

- Tolc(CG) has not been converted. Further, there's not all that much to convert. He seems to be mostly about surviving the frozen wilderness. So... probably still not a good bet.

and that's it. Everyone else is NE, CE, or CN.

You forgot Alglenweis (Princess of the Rime) [CG], Hshurha (Duchess of All Winds) [NE], Pulura (The Shimmering Maiden) [CG], Uvuko (The Diamond Ring) [CG].

Gozreh (The Wind and the Waves) [N] followers also can access cold domain as alternative domain.

Except from Hshurha and Kostchtchie all theses deities can have good champions but not paladins.


YuriP wrote:
Sanityfaerie wrote:

It's actually thinner on the ground in 1st ed than in 2nd in some ways. There's no cold domain at all. The closest you get is the ice subdomain of the water domain, which nets you Kostchtchie(CE), Ithaqua(CE), Inkariax(LE), Charon (NE), Orgesh (CE), Pharasma (N), Sithhud(CE), Thremyr(CE), Tolc(CG), Uzumae(LE), and Yamatsumi(N).

So, from there, looking at the deities that are only two steps away on the alignment chart, we've got Pharasma, Inkariax, Uzumae, and Tolc.

- Pharasma(N) has been converted to 2nd edition, does not have cold domain, and does not accept LG followers.

- Inkariax(LE) has not been converted, but his subdomans are Fear, Ice, Isolation, and Slavery. That one doesn't seem likely to go anywhere you'd want to go. (Areas of Concern are absolute cold, preservation, and solitude, which aren't *so* bad, but that Slavery bit is pretty much a deal-killer.)

- Uzumae(LE) has not been converted. His areas of concern are blizzards, frozen ghosts, and starvation. His subdomains are fear, ice, murder, and the undead. That one's not lookign loo likely either

- Tolc(CG) has not been converted. Further, there's not all that much to convert. He seems to be mostly about surviving the frozen wilderness. So... probably still not a good bet.

and that's it. Everyone else is NE, CE, or CN.

You forgot Alglenweis (Princess of the Rime) [CG], Hshurha (Duchess of All Winds) [NE], Pulura (The Shimmering Maiden) [CG], Uvuko (The Diamond Ring) [CG].

Gozreh (The Wind and the Waves) [N] followers also can access cold domain as alternative domain.

Except from Hshurha and Kostchtchie all theses deities can have good champions but not paladins.

Yeah, it seems just good champions but not paladins ( it's important not to focus on the deity alignment but the followers ).

Since I love either cold ( and electricity ) energy more than anything else, I'd love to see some more love for them too.


Here's the PF2 list. It'll have your answers, though offhand I think there's a Tian storm god that's LG.

https://2e.aonprd.com/Deities.aspx


YuriP wrote:

You forgot Alglenweis (Princess of the Rime) [CG], Hshurha (Duchess of All Winds) [NE], Pulura (The Shimmering Maiden) [CG], Uvuko (The Diamond Ring) [CG].

Gozreh (The Wind and the Waves) [N] followers also can access cold domain as alternative domain.

Except from Hshurha and Kostchtchie all theses deities can have good champions but not paladins.

I did not forget. I was explicitly laying out the possible PF1 deities, in response to a sub-question about same. Those are all PF2. As of the time i wrote, the PF2 deities had already been discussed. Also, Hshurha is more than two steps away from LG.

Liberty's Edge

Cernunnos, Ranginori and the Sky Keepers pantheon (which includes Apsu BTW) take LG followers and have the Lightning domain in PF2.


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Could be something to explore with the Ulfen and the northern peoples of Arcadia, perhaps?


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I'm not sure. Paladins of golarion still have to follow a deity, right?

I just want to play a heavily ice/frost themed paladin of cold justice. Hehe, "just-ice"...

I really hope paizo skims these forums from time to time and pick up on gaps like this :)


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After looking at the lists of deities I find it rather ironic that so many are chaotic good while having the domain that is all about locking water molecules into stationary, crystalline patterns.


Wintertouched ( wall of ice ) human champion with Magus dedication ( spellstrike with ray of frost), and bounded spellcasting to cast some icy spells, could do the trick.

I really like the Magus dedication on a champion.


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Santa Claus paladin noises*


I'd settle for a LN or NG cold domain deity that allows LG followers.

Are there any upcoming releases confirmed to include new deities?


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Kobolder! wrote:

I'd settle for a LN or NG cold domain deity that allows LG followers.

Are there any upcoming releases confirmed to include new deities?

None confirmed as far as I'm aware, but I'd keep an eye out for anything that comes from the Quest for the Frozen Flame AP. If you're going to get cold related gods in any announced book, it's probably there.

Horizon Hunters

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Kobolder! wrote:

I'd settle for a LN or NG cold domain deity that allows LG followers.

Are there any upcoming releases confirmed to include new deities?

Lost Omens Knights of Lastwall will include deities. Whether any of them are new and cold themed is a different question.


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One solution could be to get the Splinter Faith feat while worshipping a justice-minded deity like Iomedae or Apsu. Of course, you'd need to be a human with Natural Ambition if you also wanted to have the Cold Domain focus spell at level 1 as well.


Ventnor wrote:
One solution could be to get the Splinter Faith feat while worshipping a justice-minded deity like Iomedae or Apsu. Of course, you'd need to be a human with Natural Ambition if you also wanted to have the Cold Domain focus spell at level 1 as well.

And give up the flickmace? Perish the thought!

You may be able to convince your GM to let you have it for free. I'm not seeing Winter Bolt or Diamond Dust as being particularly more powerful than the other available options, which makes this very nearly pure fluff. A lot of GMs will just let you have such things. (I would, as long as I didn't expect it to cause trouble at the table and I was sure you weren't doing it for powergaming reasons.)

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