Assurance vs. Misfortune


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Just spotted this rather weird rules interaction and I'd like to know if it's really right.

Assurance is a Fortune ability.

If you have a Misfortune effect applying to a roll, you can choose to use Assurance on that roll. Since it is a Fortune effect, it cancels out the Misfortune effect, but that is all it does; you still have to roll. But that also means you still get to roll, rather than getting the relatively low (by level scaling) fixed value Assurance gives.

So if you have Assurance with a skill, you can essentially ignore all Misfortune effects with that skill for free by using Assurance to cancel them and make it a regular roll.

Is that correct and intended?


It is correct, though the price is that you don't get to actually apply Assurance (since it gets cancelled too) if you'd wanted to.

Intended? I dunno.


It seems useful IF you know you're subject to a misfortune effect prior to rolling. But right now the CRB only has three misfortune effects in it, and two of them (Foresight spell and a magic armor ability) apply to attack rolls only. Outcast's Curse hits all your social skills.


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hyphz wrote:

Just spotted this rather weird rules interaction and I'd like to know if it's really right.

Assurance is a Fortune ability.

If you have a Misfortune effect applying to a roll, you can choose to use Assurance on that roll. Since it is a Fortune effect, it cancels out the Misfortune effect, but that is all it does; you still have to roll. But that also means you still get to roll, rather than getting the relatively low (by level scaling) fixed value Assurance gives.

So if you have Assurance with a skill, you can essentially ignore all Misfortune effects with that skill for free by using Assurance to cancel them and make it a regular roll.

Is that correct and intended?

Yes. If you are that assured with the skill, you can roll it normally even in the grim reaper's aura!

Sczarni

Nice.

Exo-Guardians

Asked and answered! i love it when this happens

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I basically only do it when it's clear to just let you guys know you all had it right, to point out a page reference, etc, since what I'm saying isn't official in the case of ambiguities.

Sczarni

But, in a lot of rules discussions, that's all the Forum needs.

Usually it's at least one person quoting a passage, and two or more sides debating what it means.

Exo-Guardians

while we've got your ear... is there anything you can share on when we might expect "official" word regarding any of the "ambiguities" in the "Got a rules question about Pathfinder Second Edition? Post it here!" thread?

Silver Crusade

More quick explanations from the designers are very welcome right now.

Dark Archive

This is an example of something that should really get FAQed!

(Also, what happened to the FAQ button?)

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