Wizard class feat at 1st level?


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Is the wizard supposed to gain a wizard class feat at 1st level?

The CRB seems to say so, but neither the cleric nor the sorcerer gain a class feat at 1st level. Furthermore, Ezren only has two class feats at 1st level, Reach Spell and Widen Spell, and, being a Universalist with the Metamagical Experimentation arcane thesis, these are accounted for (the Universalist grants a bonus 1st-level class feat and the thesis grants a bonus 1st-level metamagic class feat).


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F. Castor wrote:

Is the wizard supposed to gain a wizard class feat at 1st level?

The CRB seems to say so, but neither the cleric nor the sorcerer gain a class feat at 1st level. Furthermore, Ezren only has two class feats at 1st level, Reach Spell and Widen Spell, and, being a Universalist with the Metamagical Experimentation arcane thesis, these are accounted for (the Universalist grants a bonus 1st-level class feat and the thesis grants a bonus 1st-level metamagic class feat).

Yes. The cleric and the sorcerer gain benefits at 1st level based on their path/bloodline, and these are worth a feat. The wizard's School and Arcane Thesis don't equal those by themselves, so the wizard gets an extra feat to compensate.


I see. Nice if that is true. That means that a human universalist wizard with the metamagic thesis and the Natural Ambition ancestry feat can have a total of four class feats at 1st level. :-)

So, I am assuming Ezren is simply missing a feat? Because he, like the rest of the pregens in the PF2E Iconics pack, is built with the final rules as far as I can tell.


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F. Castor wrote:

I see. Nice if that is true. That means that a human universalist wizard with the metamagic thesis and the Natural Ambition ancestry feat can have a total of four class feats at 1st level. :-)

So, I am assuming Ezren is simply missing a feat? Because he, like the rest of the pregens in the PF2E Iconics pack, is built with the final rules as far as I can tell.

Does he have the Versatile heritage? Without that heritage, he would not get the extra feat. Or did he perhaps take a feat other than Natural Ambition?


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He has the Skilled Human heritage and does not have Natural Ambition (which is the ancestry feat that grants a 1st-level class feat) at 1st level. Versatile Heritage, by the way, gives a general feat, not a class feat.

According to the CRB, Ezren, being a Skilled Human Universalist Wizard with the Metamagical Experimentation arcane thesis, should have three wizard class feats at 1st level. One from being a 1st level wizard (as, according to the CRB, wizards get a wizard class feat at 1st level), one from being a Universalist (since Universalists get an extra wizard class feat) and one from his arcane thesis (since the Metamagical Experimentation thesis grants a 1st-level metamagic wizard class feat as a bonus feat).

He, however, only has two, Reach Spell and Widen Spell.

Going by his write-up, his Reach Spell class feat is from his Metamagical Experimentation arcane thesis, so that is accounted for. As far as I can tell it does not specify where his Widen Spell class feat comes from (whether it is from his being a Universalist or it is his 1st level wizard class feat).

Regardless, if the Core Rulebook is correct and wizards do indeed get a class feat at 1st level (unlike bards, clerics, druids and sorcerers by the way, who do not get a class feat at 1st level), then Ezren has one feat less than he should have, something that is true for both his 1st and 5th level write-up.

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