So we've all dealt with the player at one point or another is so in love with their class, they just can't admit it's a broken hot mess.
Case in point, I have a player that wants to do a custom class which I'm fine with. What I'm not fine with is needless complication and a caster that has;
-no spells per day limit
-knows all spells & need no preparation
-unlimited spells based on some wonky & needlessly complicated crafting
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To further elaborate, said player wants to cast spells based on crafted runes which revolve around 4 elements (earth, fire, water, wind).
Crafting said runes takes 10 minutes per level of the rune in question at no monetary cost, the level of the rune determines the spell effect. To do certain effects you have to mix & match certain runes. What makes this utterly ridiculous is there is no limit on how many runes he can carry outside of carry limit and containers to do so. For perspective, this allows him to create & use 24-48 lvl 1 spells pending on its needlessly complicated use of mixing spell runes.They somehow don't see this broken or simply won't acknowledge it is.
Now I broached the subject that while he does not want to use the spell list, the effects he's trying for is the exact effects of spells that already exist. So instead of trying to make things needlessly complicated just say "X" spell functions with your flavor of wording. The issue is that (god forbid) using spells & list is limiting...you know, like the other casters.
I put together a Pro & Con list to see if I was missing something maybe... but I can't nail it for the life of me and just see a giant hot mess of BS.
Pros:
+More Spells Known than raw casters (wants to know them all)
+No Spells per day limit (this makes no sense whatsoever)
+Has x2-x4 the amount of spells at minimum per day via rune crafting
+Crafting runes cost nothing
+Because of runes spell effects he can do everything (see above)
Cons:
-the only con is the fact I can't think of a Con for the runelord class
What I'm trying to illustrate is why would you play any other caster if a runelord can do it all without any limitations the others suffer.
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Aside from my rant, am I missing something or is the player clearly being an unreasonable douche wanting access to everything at no penalty of others?
Note: I would've done an edit but I for the life of me can't find the damn thing.
So as stated above, I tried throwing a bunch of ideas and it comes down to them wanting all the spells for that level with no spells per day or uses per day limited by crafting during downtime.
They also want to slow things down by asking you on every action if what they do works and why it can't... instead of you know, doing a spell or spell-like action with established rules to keep the game moving.
He's basically avoiding making a progression for some reason, insisting that his class should basically be able to do whatever the hell it wants with alleged self imposed limits for the sake of "creative freedom".
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Note: I would've done an edit but I for the life of me can't find the damn thing.
So as stated above, I tried throwing a bunch of ideas and it comes down to them wanting all the spells for that level with no spells per day or uses per day limited by crafting during downtime.
They also want to slow things down by asking you on every action if what they do works and why it can't... instead of you know, doing a spell or spell-like action with established rules to keep the game moving.
He's basically avoiding making a progression for some reason, insisting that his class should basically be able to do whatever the hell it wants with alleged self imposed limits for the sake of "creative freedom".
What he wants to do with his character seems unreasonable. Since it doesn't seem like he's working with you, I would just limit him to PHB classes and go from there. If that isn't to his liking, than it might be time to uninvite him from the game.
In short, you're not missing anything.
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I noticed after the fact that I may have repeated myself; mix of heat and lack of sleep. There was supposed to be a question of "if there's anything to accommodate" but would seem you got the idea.