Can a [insert race] get [a different race's race-based archetype] in any legal way?


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Pretty simple question (to which I'm almost positive the answer is no), but is there any legal way for one race to gain access to another race's archetypes?

Say (for example) I'm Human, but I want to be the Goblin's alchemist archetype. Is there something similar to the adopted trait that could do this feasibly?


You want Racial Heritage

Accompanying FAQ

Additionally, Half-humans such as, half-elves, half-orcs, and planetouched such as Aasimar with racial traits that make them humanoid (human), can take human archetypes.


Gauss wrote:

You want Racial Heritage

Accompanying FAQ

Additionally, Half-humans (half-elves, half-orcs, and planetouched such as Aasimar with racial traits that make them humanoid (human) can take human archetypes.

As well as half-elves taking elven archetypes and half-orcs taking orcish archetypes.


and they also can take feat, magic object, trait and the like related to the race they also count for, but they are also affected by effect like bane too


Right

Shadow Lodge

Gauss wrote:
You want Racial Heritage

Yup. One of the best feats for half-orcs and half-elves (because they already quality as human per prerequisite for Racial Heritage) -- you can then take Armor of the Pit and Fiend Sight from Tiefling, or Angel Blood, Angel Wings, and Celestial Servant from Aasimar, etc.

(BTW, for those in PFS, this feat does not allow you to end-run around any existing legality requirements, such as boons, which you do not possess for XYZ race.)


Sir Thugsalot wrote:
Gauss wrote:
You want Racial Heritage

Yup. One of the best feats for half-orcs and half-elves (because they already quality as human per prerequisite for Racial Heritage) -- you can then take Armor of the Pit and Fiend Sight from Tiefling, or Angel Blood, Angel Wings, and Celestial Servant from Aasimar, etc.

(BTW, for those in PFS, this feat does not allow you to end-run around any existing legality requirements, such as boons, which you do not possess for XYZ race.)

you cannot take tiefling or aasimar or any other planedtouched, since they are outsider with the native subtype they are not humanoid.

with racial heritage, you must choose an humanoid race. you could take storm/cloud giant (a humanoid) and take a feat for storm/cloud giant that make you immune to electricity (Storm Soul)


There's one other method to keep in mind: There are several races that have the same subtype as each other. I'm pretty sure that that means that they can take each other's archetypes, feats, etc. as long as they meet the rest of the requirements.

One example: Gnomes and svirfneblin both have the humanoid (gnome) typing.

Scarab Sages

I'm pretty sure there's also a corner-case way for Oreads to be eligible for Dwarf Archetypes.

Shadow Lodge

Are you thinking of the dwarf blooded feat?

Unfortunately, while it gives you dwarven traits it doesn't actually make you "treated as a dwarf" for archetypes or other purposes.

Dwarf Blooded wrote:
Benefit: Your dwarven heritage manifests in two ways. First, your speed is never modified by armor or encumbrance, as the dwarf slow and steady racial trait. Second, you gain the stonecunning dwarf racial trait.

Scarab Sages

I was. Thing is, I WAS told at some point - and not just by some random cheesemonger - that that worked.

Was it errata'd? I didn't link the feat because I did see that problem when I looked it up, and I was hoping somebody out there knew how to bridge the dissonance better than I.

Scarab Sages

John Murdock wrote:
Sir Thugsalot wrote:
Gauss wrote:
You want Racial Heritage

Yup. One of the best feats for half-orcs and half-elves (because they already quality as human per prerequisite for Racial Heritage) -- you can then take Armor of the Pit and Fiend Sight from Tiefling, or Angel Blood, Angel Wings, and Celestial Servant from Aasimar, etc.

(BTW, for those in PFS, this feat does not allow you to end-run around any existing legality requirements, such as boons, which you do not possess for XYZ race.)

you cannot take tiefling or aasimar or any other planedtouched, since they are outsider with the native subtype they are not humanoid.

with racial heritage, you must choose an humanoid race. you could take storm/cloud giant (a humanoid) and take a feat for storm/cloud giant that make you immune to electricity (Storm Soul)

Inner Sea races added a racial trait which makes the oread/ifrit/undine/sylph count as humanoid. Some degree of ambiguity if you couldn't use human racial heritage to piggy back on that racial trait. I wouldn't try in PFS, but wriggle room enough to ask the GM about it for a home game.

Scarab Sages

I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:

I was. Thing is, I WAS told at some point - and not just by some random cheesemonger - that that worked.

Was it errata'd? I didn't link the feat because I did see that problem when I looked it up, and I was hoping somebody out there knew how to bridge the dissonance better than I.

I recall the Oreads having some option to count as dwarves too, though I sure can't find it now. Maybe it was something from 3.5...


RAW you can't take Racial Heritage for the planetouched races, even though those traits exist because you don't get racial traits like that.

The Oread one came up recently, and it also wouldn't work. It just gives you two of the racial traits they have, you don't actually count as a dwarf. The feat is dwarf blooded btw.


Reincarnate?

Scarab Sages

Sah wrote:

RAW you can't take Racial Heritage for the planetouched races, even though those traits exist because you don't get racial traits like that.

The Oread one came up recently, and it also wouldn't work. It just gives you two of the racial traits they have, you don't actually count as a dwarf. The feat is dwarf blooded btw.

No, we have that one covered above. We were thinking that there was another feat that did this, but we can't remember what it was.

Anyway, doesn't seem to be covered above, but there is also the Orc Bloodline. It's a Sorcerer Bloodline which grants the Orc Subtype in addition to other effects of the Bloodline Arcana. A single level should allow you to qualify for Orc Feats and Archetypes, regardless of your base race.

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