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Would a ninja's unarmed combat mastery trick stack with the VMC unarmed damage?
the problem is that you are counting your levels twice. you have 10 levels of Ninja , gives you Monk level of 6. And then 10 levels of Ninja which gives you Monk level of 8.
I would say that they don't stack, since it's the same thing you are counting. You just take the higher number (in this case VMC).
I agree with you that shouldn't stack. Same thing happens with Brawler with VMC monk.the problem is that you are counting your levels twice. you have 10 levels of Ninja , gives you Monk level of 6. And then 10 levels of Ninja which gives you Monk level of 8.
I would say that they don't stack, since it's the same thing you are counting. You just take the higher number (in this case VMC).
It does not work with brawler (or any or the other classes designed to be proficient at unarmed combat) because there is no clause specifically saying they stack in their unarmed strike. That said, the monk prestige classes DO have stacking written into them so they could also pose the same question. I don't think the damage is overpowering (limited BaB, little to no spells, NO ARMOR) I would like to see an official answer or explanation of a similar situation before hassing my GM on it
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the problem is that you are counting your levels twice. you have 10 levels of Ninja , gives you Monk level of 6
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Counts as won't stack with is.I would like to see an official answer or explanation of a similar situation before hassing my GM on it
You have an extremely low chance of getting an official answer this year. Your best bet is to make a succinct question and get 30-60 FAQ clicks on it.
The fallback plan is to post in Ask James Jacobs or Ask Mark threads. Neither of them are designed for rules questions, but both of them give off the cuff answers.
the problem is that you are counting your levels twice. you have 10 levels of Ninja , gives you Monk level of 6. And then 10 levels of Ninja which gives you Monk level of 8.
I would say that they don't stack, since it's the same thing you are counting. You just take the higher number (in this case VMC).
It's not counting the same thing. You have one ability sourcing from real monk levels, and another ability sourcing from effective monk levels gained from ninja levels.
By RAW this stacks just the way it says it does. Another consequence of using alternate systems that will probably be fixed if you can get an FAQ made (i clicked it).
The 'source' is the character level. Just like different abilities that at CHR to saves doesn't stack because the source is CHR.
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The 'source' is the character level. Just like different abilities that at CHR to saves doesn't stack because the source is CHR.
You're right, one of the sources is character level:
Unarmed Strike: At 3rd level, he gains the Improved Unarmed Strike feat and the unarmed damage of a monk of his character level – 2.
But the other source is ninja level:
A ninja who selects this trick deals damage with her unarmed strikes as if she were a monk of her ninja level –4. If the ninja has levels in monk, this ability stacks with monk levels to determine how much damage she can do with her unarmed strikes.
Thats still two different sources for a multiclassed character.
But I did notice the line after that this time, it says you have to have levels in Monk for the ninja trick to stack. Well, you don't have any levels in Monk.
a character can't take levels in the secondary class she gains from this variant.