So... Assuming your DM lost his mind for a minute and didn't slap you down for being silly. By RAW, can you take Vile Leadership after taking Leadership? The only thing I'm seeing is that you can't take Vile Leadership first before taking Leadership.
Vile Leadership
You rule over your own cabal of minions with a villainous cohort as your lieutenant.
Prerequisite(s): Character level 7th, good standing with an evil organization.
Benefit(s): You can attract a loyal cohort and a number of cowed followers to assist you in your journeys. This feat is similar to Leadership, except Vile Leadership rewards— rather than hinders—leaders who have cruel reputations or who cause the deaths of their followers. Once you take this feat, you cannot take the Leadership feat without retraining your feat selection.
In order to benefit from this feat, you must belong to one of the evil organizations listed in this section and also be in good standing with that organization.
Numerous factors can affect your Vile Leadership score (which acts as a Leadership score for the purpose of feats and abilities that rely on a Leadership score, other than Leadership itself); work with your GM and use the tables below to adjust your Vile Leadership score.
The NPCs you attract must be affiliated with the evil organization to which you belong.
By rules as written, yes. Leadership isn't legal for PFS, so here goes the one venue where such shenanigans may work.
As for the rules as intended, vile leadership seems to be a replacement for leadership in order to make the trope of the BBG that rules by fear work mechanically in game, so no taking leadership and vile leadership.
Pathfinder / D&D isn't a very minion friendly game either. 7th level to get a cohort and some minions? Compare that to Exalted - I have an army of thousands at character generation!
I think you can take them both , the thing is , many of the things that increase your score on one side decrease on the other if i remember it right.
I think you can take them both , the thing is , many of the things that increase your score on one side decrease on the other if i remember it right.
Yeah, I can certainly imagine ways to allow both, but it is convoluted and not really acknowledge by the rules.
Basically, it involves having a secret evil identity seperate from your 'good' one. Thus, you go through disguise checks on both sides.
Of course, I am fairly sure both feats don't really anticipate carefully manipulated public personas. There is a prestige class for that though. The low templar's 'flag of convenience' ability removes the penalties affecting with leadership.
I have an argument for the combination...
Sometimes you're Bob, the Lawful Good guy who's everybody's buddy!
Other times your Joe, the Chaotic Evil jerk who steals candy from babies.
Each personality has its own followers! Sounds all well and good, until Bob manifests in the middle of Joe's band of cutthroats and starts going all noble hero on their butts!
Hahahaha!
I have an argument for the combination...
Sometimes you're Bob, the Lawful Good guy who's everybody's buddy!
Other times your Joe, the Chaotic Evil jerk who steals candy from babies.
Each personality has its own followers! Sounds all well and good, until Bob manifests in the middle of Joe's band of cutthroats and starts going all noble hero on their butts!
Hahahaha!
I can think of ways to deal with this.
If joe knows about bob (because for some reason, it is always the evil personality that knows, and never the good one with an ignorant evil), then he could arrange things to make it less likely to happen.
Basically, he can make his main office a jail cell. One that is locked. And the key is hidden in his shoe. Bob thinks he got imprisoned, Joe knows that the key is on him in a place you would never check if you were suddenly trapped in a cell.
Necro this post due to needing to work out a possibility I might explore.
I'm playing a villainous LE Inquisitor in Kingmaker. He's monstrous and diabolical but does all his evil in the shadows. As a follower of Zon-Kuthon he serves shadow and pain, and it synergizes with the group as a yin-yan situation. I am the pain our world needs for rebirth. Etc.
Inquisition/Domain: Nobility. This gets Leadership for free at level 8. One level later than the Level 7 prereq, but for free, so worth the wait. It also adds +2 to leadership score which is nice.
Then there is the prestige class Noble Scion which you can get with several prereqs and can take as early as level 6. Noble Scion level 2 (PC level 7) gives you leadership upgraded to Greater Leadership for a free feat, and later at prestige L10 it upgrades again to allow you to take a cohort equal to your level. And what not.
Well, I'd like to take Leadership as the free feat at character level 7 with Noble Scion prestige class, which is how the character fronts to the world. Then I'd like Vile Leadership as the free feat the Nobility Inquisition would net at Inquisitor Level 8 (player level 10 due to multiclassing).
What I'm reading that makes this viable is that the Leadership Score is affected by THOSE WHO WITNESS the deeds that affect the score. So if you're nice to some followers of Leadership, the Leadership score increases. Meanwhile, behind closed doors you're brutal to your followers of your Vile Leadership then that score will increase. Either score would only ever drop if those particular followers were subject to something out of alignment.
I'm gonna try it. It's very Palpatine orchestrating the Clone Wars from both sides.