Splitting a run of Crypt of the Everflame.

[nosig]

The local venue runs PFS on weeknights - but with only a 4-5 hour gaming window.

I was thinking of running Crypt of the Everflame split into two play sessions - (theres a great place to brake half way thru the game), but was concerned about the chance that someone will miss the 2nd half of the mod. And I got an "idea" (yeah, one of those things!).

What about just giving out a Chronicle half way thru, as if we had stopped the game there (1XP, 2PP, the gold gained up to there)... which I would collect back at the start of the 2nd session and then give out the full chronicle at the end of the full game?

That way, if one (or more) of the players CAN'T get to the second game (for whatever reason) he has a record of having played it, and credit for what he played.

So my questions are...

1) Is this PFS Legal?

2) What issues might arise from doing this?

Thanks!

[kinevon]

1) Probably not., I believe this discussion came up on another thread, not long ago, and the concensus was that it wasn't PFS legal to hand out "temp" chronicles. Especially since the chronicle can give spoilers....

2) First off, 1 XP/2 PP implies that you are running it over three sessions, not two, since the reduction is by 1 XP and 1 PP per session missed. Gold gained has little to do with the gold rewarded, by the way, instead, it, too should be reduced by 1/3 per session missed.

As I mentioned above, it is possible, as well, that the chronicle gives out spoilers for later encounters, too.

Best way, IMO, to handle it:
If these are players who are regulars, just make on the sign-in sheet for the second session who made both sessions, and who didn't, and write your chronicles when you normally do, with the adjustments as appropriate.

If they include new or irregular players, request contact information on your sign-in sheet, so you can get them their chronicles if they aren't there for the final session.

Note: For a multi-session game, like this one, use a custom sign-in sheet, with check boxes for each session, so you don't have to remember who showed up for which session later.

[Joshua Goudreau]

My local lodge recently ran Feast of Ravenmoor over three sessions and myself and the other event organizer decided that if someone was able to attend two of the three sessions they would receive the chronicle sheet. You might be able to make a similar ruling here, though with only two sessions that would likely be harder to judge. Ultimately, I would rule that to get the chronicle sheet a player would need to attend both sessions and thus complete both levels of the dungeon.

[Sniggevert]

Joshua Goudreau wrote:

My local lodge recently ran Feast of Ravenmoor over three sessions and myself and the other event organizer decided that if someone was able to attend two of the three sessions they would receive the chronicle sheet. You might be able to make a similar ruling here, though with only two sessions that would likely be harder to judge. Ultimately, I would rule that to get the chronicle sheet a player would need to attend both sessions and thus complete both levels of the dungeon.

I'm sorry, but no. If they play any of one session, they should get a chronicle sheet barring extreme circumstances.

For Crypt of the Everflame it's not as stringent I guess, as you could still replay the module. However, for Feast of Ravenmoor, if you just show up for 1 day of 3, you have blown your chance to play that scenario for credit. Once you make it past the intro and are getting into a scenario/module, you have committed yourself to be a part of that table and have to be awarded a chronicle for that involvement.

[CigarPete]

I actually wound up splitting my Crypt of the Everflame run into three sessions, so the math was easier, but even with a two session run, the Guide tells us what to do

Guide to Organized Play wrote:

Players who do not complete each game session earn 1/3

fewer gold pieces, 1 less XP and 1 less Prestige Point for
each session missed. This also applies to players who join
later sessions; they receive 1/3 fewer gold pieces, 1 fewer
XP and Prestige Point for each session missed. In both
cases, players earn a minimum of 1/3 gold pieces, 1 XP
and 1 Prestige Point.

[nosig]

kinevon wrote:

1) Probably not., I believe this discussion came up on another thread, not long ago, and the concensus was that it wasn't PFS legal to hand out "temp" chronicles. Especially since the chronicle can give spoilers....

2) First off, 1 XP/2 PP implies that you are running it over three sessions, not two, since the reduction is by 1 XP and 1 PP per session missed. Gold gained has little to do with the gold rewarded, by the way, instead, it, too should be reduced by 1/3 per session missed.

As I mentioned above, it is possible, as well, that the chronicle gives out spoilers for later encounters, too.

Best way, IMO, to handle it:
If these are players who are regulars, just make on the sign-in sheet for the second session who made both sessions, and who didn't, and write your chronicles when you normally do, with the adjustments as appropriate.

If they include new or irregular players, request contact information on your sign-in sheet, so you can get them their chronicles if they aren't there for the final session.

Note: For a multi-session game, like this one, use a custom sign-in sheet, with check boxes for each session, so you don't have to remember who showed up for which session later.

ah well... guess I'll just scrub the idea then. Go back to running First Steps/Fallen Fortress... and try to set this up for a Game day or a weekend all day game at home...

Thanks for your suggestions about the sign-in sheet, but I'm afraid that wouldn't really work for where I game.... we do sort of do things differently in St. Louis.

As to the possible spoilers from the "partial chronicle" I expected to just black out the Blessing Boon, and black out the items in the second half... that way they wouldn't spoil it for those persons who haven't played it before...and let them replay it with a different PC and be surprised.

The reduction of -1 XP and -1 PP per session missed is something I had missed myself, thanks! ... and it sort of hits an odd cord. It seems to be assuming that the Mod will be played over 3 sessions rather than 2... the reduction would be less than 1/3 of the rewords, meaning that someone would earn 2 XP and 3PP for playing the first half of the Mod. They could then bail out and go play a First Steps game and get 1XP and 2PP or finish out the Crypt and get 1XP and 1PP more... but this doesn't really matter anyway, as I can see that this is not going to work anyway.

[Sarvei taeno]

i regularly run COE. i split it into 2 sessions. players know that its a module and if they dont play all they get partial credit. as with all moduls the guides covers what to award

[nosig]

Sarvei taeno wrote:

i regularly run COE. i split it into 2 sessions. players know that its a module and if they dont play all they get partial credit. as with all moduls the guides covers what to award

how do you provide for someone who misses the second session? when does he get his chronicle? do you have to arrange to meet again after the 2nd (final) run?

[kinevon]

nosig wrote:

kinevon wrote:

Best way, IMO, to handle it:
If these are players who are regulars, just make on the sign-in sheet for the second session who made both sessions, and who didn't, and write your chronicles when you normally do, with the adjustments as appropriate.

If they include new or irregular players, request contact information on your sign-in sheet, so you can get them their chronicles if they aren't there for the final session.

Note: For a multi-session game, like this one, use a custom sign-in sheet, with check boxes for each session, so you don't have to remember who showed up for which session later.

Thanks for your suggestions about the sign-in sheet, but I'm afraid that wouldn't really work for where I game.... we do sort of do things differently in St. Louis.

Not quite following you, there.

I am not talking the sign-up, pre-game, to reserve a seat at the game, I know you don't really do that in St. Louis.

What I am talking about is the sign-IN sheet, used at the (beginning of the) session, to get the information needed to properly report the session on here, so the GM gets his table star(s), and the players can pull the information up later, if they need to have a VC/VL recreate the chronicle some day.

At least, I hope that St. Louis PFS records and reports their PFS sessions, as that information could help John and Mike get more resources allocated to them from Paizo. Especially since StL sounds like it is a very active community, so the reporting, if not done, could negatively impact the numbers Paizo uses for determining PFS's support...

[Sarvei taeno]

generally if they miss the second session i hold onto their chronicle till i see them again. while its the gms job to organize and run the game, the player is just as responsible for their end. if they want the chronicle they will get a hold of u in someway. just make sure and get thier basic info to fill out their chronicle.