Robe of Arcane Heritage & Bloatmages


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Scarab Sages

So let's say I have a Bloatmage in society play, Wiz 1/Bloat 10, and thus have Absorb Bloodline, this part seems to be well established as legal. I now have the power to gain bloodline powers as if I were a sorcerer of a level equal to my total arcane spellcaster level.

If I then don a Robe of Arcane Heritage, with a diagram of my relatively uninteresting family tree, and then I absorb a bloodline, do I then have the bloodline powers equal to all my arcane caster levels + 4? (Thus in my case giving me the arcane powers up to level 15)

These are both very broadly defined to the point that I would expect this to work, but I'd love a bit of discussion on it.

Absorb Bloodline:
At 10th level, a bloodmage can temporarily access all of the bloodline powers of a given sorcerer bloodline as if she were a sorcerer of a level equaling her total arcane spellcaster level (including bloodmage levels) by consuming blood tied to that bloodline. By drinking 1 pint of fresh blood (which inflicts 1 point of Constitution damage) from a sorcerer with the given bloodline or from a creature affiliated with that bloodline, the bloodmage gains the ability to use the bloodline powers (but not bonus spells, proficiencies, and so on) as appropriate to her level for 1 hour. This ability is usable once per day and drinking the blood normally requires a full minute, but bloodmages with the Brew Potion feat can distill the blood into a potion-sized draught that can be stored and consumed as a standard action.

Any bloodlines absorbed are in addition to the original bloodline of a bloodmage with sorcerer levels. Though the bloodmage gains no physical nourishment from drinking blood, this practice is likely responsible for many of the stories linking bloodmages and vampires.

In addition to sorcerers of the given bloodline, the following list presents a few examples of creatures whose blood is considered affiliated to a bloodline. There may be others who work equally well, at the GM’s discretion.

Aberrant: any aberration.
Abyssal: any chaotic evil outsider.
Arcane: any arcane caster, or any creature with an arcane spell or spell-like ability of at least 3rd-level.
Celestial: any good outsider.
Destined: any creature able to cast divination spells.
Draconic: any dragon or creature with the dragon type.
Elemental: any creature with an elemental or energy subtype (air, cold, earth, fire, water), provided it has flesh and blood (such as a salamander, but not a fire elemental).
Fey: any fey or gnome.
Infernal: any lawful evil outsider.
Undead: any undead creature with flesh and blood (such as vampires or ghouls, but not skeletons).


Robe of Arcane Heritage:
These elegant, dark purple robes are usually decorated with gold stitching suggesting a particular sorcerer bloodline, though some might indicate a family tree. When a sorcerer dons a robe of arcane heritage, the stitching pulls itself apart and reweaves to match her particular sorcerer bloodline. The wearer treats her sorcerer level as 4 higher than normal for the purpose of determining what bloodline powers she can use and their effects.


I'd like to say yes, but I'm not entirely certain. The Absorb Bloodline ability only says you get the powers as if you were of that level, not as if you had the bloodline. I'd ask if you could pull the Robe of Arcane Heritage with Eldritch Heritage and allow it or disallow it from there.

However, if it does work, I definitely recommend picking up Brew Potion.


Any Wiz1/Bloatmage10 needs a musket to the face for abuse of rules, but the Robe would work. It specifically says "as if she were a sorcerer of a level ..."


Yes it works, just remember to take the robe off and put it back on, this is the part you must read "When a sorcerer dons a robe of arcane heritage, the stitching pulls itself apart and reweaves to match her particular sorcerer bloodline." You will have to take it off and put it back on.


Oliver Veyrac wrote:
Yes it works, just remember to take the robe off and put it back on, this is the part you must read "When a sorcerer dons a robe of arcane heritage, the stitching pulls itself apart and reweaves to match her particular sorcerer bloodline." You will have to take it off and put it back on.

Not even sure if that'll be necessary. Absorb Bloodline only lasts an hour a pop. After that, you're not treated as a sorcerer.

Majuba wrote:
Any Wiz1/Bloatmage10 needs a musket to the face for abuse of rules, but the Robe would work. It specifically says "as if she were a sorcerer of a level ..."

I'm more curious HOW one could get that. Entry to Bloatmage is like three to four feats at least.


Requires two feats and 3rd level arcane spells. It can be done with a PFS aasimar Wizard as wizards get spell focus instead of scribe scroll in PFS.


Hi aceDiamond,

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2m9hs?Eldritch-Heritage-Robes-of-Arcane-Heritag e

Key words are "a bloodmage can temporarily access all of the bloodline powers of a given sorcerer bloodline as if she were a sorcerer of a level equaling her total arcane spellcaster level"

And

"The wearer treats her sorcerer level as 4 higher than normal for the purpose of determining what bloodline powers she can use and their effects."

The redonning is a flavorful thing don't you think, i drink the blood, take the robe off, and put it back on and it reweaves itself :) You can picture it.


Robert A Matthews wrote:
Requires two feats and 3rd level arcane spells. It can be done with a PFS aasimar Wizard as wizards get spell focus instead of scribe scroll in PFS.

How do you get said 3rd level spells at first level?


Oliver Veyrac wrote:
Robert A Matthews wrote:
Requires two feats and 3rd level arcane spells. It can be done with a PFS aasimar Wizard as wizards get spell focus instead of scribe scroll in PFS.
How do you get said 3rd level spells at first level?

An Aasimar gets Daylight 1/day as a SLA. That counts as access to 3rd level arcane spells for this purpose. It's silly, but true.


That works. But then you would have to be a third level aasimar for the two feats.

Bloatmage Initiate, Spell Focus (any school).


Oliver Veyrac wrote:

That works. But then you would have to be a third level aasimar for the two feats.

Bloatmage Initiate, Spell Focus (any school).

Wizards get Spell Focus in place of Scribe Scroll in PFS. So your level 1 feat is bloatmage initiate. As an assimar you get daylight 1/day. That fulfills all prerequisites for the prestige class.


Oliver Veyrac wrote:

That works. But then you would have to be a third level aasimar for the two feats.

Bloatmage Initiate, Spell Focus (any school).

It was mentioned earlier that in PFS you get Spell Focus in place of Scribe Scroll at first level. So if you take Bloatmage Initiate as a first level aasimar wizard, then you can can start taking bloatmage at second level.


Awesome! yep, wizard 1 aasimar to take the lead!


Found a drawback though :( Doesn't state if it(daylight) is an arcane or divine spell. Otherwise an aasimar could start prestige classing mystic theurge at 3rd level.

Sczarni

Racial SLAs default to arcane, unless it's a divine only spell.

And a Human Diviner with the Clairaudiance/Clairvoyance SLA can also enter Bloatmage at 2nd level (PFS or not).

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