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So I have a soon-to-be level three gnome oracle who worships Arshea with a 20 charisma. At level 3, I plan to take the Celestial Obedience feat. The bonus for worshiper's of Arshea is:
Obedience: Achieve sexual release by yourself or with one or
more partners. Praise the most beautiful aspects of yourself
and any partners aloud, and offer a prayer to Arshea while
still naked. Gain a +4 sacred bonus on Charisma checks
and Charisma-based skill checks when interacting with an
intelligent creature who could be sexually attracted to you.
[Emphasis added.]
Question:
How do I determine who could be attracted to me?
That's really entirely up to the GM honestly, and it'll change between each GM you play with for PFS. Sorry if it's not the answer you're looking for.
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Oh! Oh! Me! Me!
Oh... nevermind.
Let the GM role play/indicate to you who is smitten by your celestial beauty.
This.
Aside from me thinking you're pretty hot, you will just have to cast a line out to whoever you want to charm, and see if they bite.
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If I remember correctly (could someone get me the appropriate reference here?), NPCs are all assumed to be bisexual unless stated otherwise. Makes sense, I suppose, what with the Kinsey Scale, and the general fact that some creatures just have sheer force of will and/or magically enhanced beauty that it would make a straight person think twice. Plus it would be awkward trying to dictate people's games like that. So anyway, if I am remembering correctly, be sure to remind your GM of that as well (hey, it doubles you chances, no?). It still might boil down to 'does the GM want to let you have that +4' though.
Now the really tough problem revolves around the fact that the vague term "intelligent creature" is used. Telling when a nonhumanoid is attracted might be hard...other than the wizard's dog familiar. It would make that fairly obvious...
Also...thinking about it....the vague term 'charisma based skills' is used. +4 to intimidate? Oh my....
.....great, now I am thinking of ways of adapting the kinsey scale in order to make modifiers for a homebrewed 'sexual attraction' check.
Something like how fly has various modifiers based off of maneuverability modifiers for fly. 'Almost completely heterosexual member of the same gender or almost completely homosexual member of the opposite gender' would be like clumsy maneuverability, while 'almost completely heterosexual member of the opposite gender or almost completely homosexual member of the same gender' would be like perfect maneuverability.
After that, it would mostly just be a charisma check (obviously sacred bonus would not apply, since this determines if you get the sacred bonus). Might include circumstance bonuses, like alcohol, attire, and situation. But no skill ranks...since that would start being creepy (like this isn't already?)
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In 2nd Edition there was a Comeliness stat.
Yes, but that would neither cover the complex nature of human(oid) sexuality...or fulfill my intense need for charts.
Also...thinking about it....the vague term 'charisma based skills' is used. +4 to intimidate? Oh my...."Intimidating" is an ever-popular adjective to describe pretty girls, isn't it?
Yes, that is a nice, safe answer. Sure. Let us not look too in depth on the various cha based skills and checks. You all already have access to the internet, so do not let me be the one to lead you astray.
I guess alter self would help a lot there^^
But what about people/intelligent entities/etc. who are asexual?
Actually, I have many potential objections, but instead I will just say that perhaps someone ought to convert the Book of Erotic Fantasy to Pathfinder. (Though maybe not that one metamagic-based PrC. That was just broken.)
Who is attracted to me?
Just spitballing but...
Burly gnomish men named Wong. (It's the moustashes!)
You guys must really have more exciting games than what I play. If the typical gamer looked across the table at me and said "I want to role-play this event where after achieving sexual release I stand naked and worship my god." I would just stare blankly at him and finally tell him to roll up a new character. Maybe I am just too old fashioned.
PS Comliness was actually a 1st edition AD&D stat that came out in 1985 with the release of Unearthed Arcana. It was in an earlier Dragon Magazine article.
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I know Paizo is trying to be politically correct with their attitude on sexuality, but does the Quantum Sexuality of NPCs bother anyone else?
I mean, have a smattering of NPCs with different sexualities assigned, seems totally fine. Have some characters be gay, some be straight, some be bisexual, some can be asexual. I really don't care. Honestly, I'm not big on sexuality being introduced into the game in the first place. I'm here to play Big Damn Hero, not Leisure Suit Larry. But having every NPC with quantum sexuality that reacts to whoever is trying to seduce them...that dog wont hunt monsignor.
For D&D there is amongst others a sourcebook named 'Book of erotic fantasy' which introduced the stat 'Appearance'. There are also some other rules for handling XXX in RPGs. Search for D&D and S E X on Google.
Honestly i never needed this rules on my table ..
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While I agree with you, I have to point out that most heroes had women throwing themselves at them in ancient times. The movie Troy kind of covers that at the beginning.
And? I'm actually confused here. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
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DM: "The temptress barmaid leans over the table." Here the DM gets up and leans on the table, before continuing, "You can see into her cleavage," he wiggles his stomach/chest seductively. "She looks deeply, DEEPLY into your eyes..."
Player: "...forget the Appearance score. If we're going to roleplay this, I need five or six more beers!"
Player2: "I have the camera and this is going up on Youtube."
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Restating, refining, and limiting the question and responses.
First, thank you for the many, many responses. I will accept the inform the GM and YMMV.
Second, there is no need for XXX or erotic content. I like my PFS to be PG-13. I plan on handling it in a mature, out of character, speaking to the GM before the game about my characters morning rituals, and offering to NOT RP through those bits.
How often to your players stand up and RP memorizing spells, or praying to their god for an hour? Or do you just let it be assumed they do the requisite actions then move on without a thought?
Finally, sexuality (IMHO) can exist with out any erotic content. A strong sense of sexuality does not mean smutty behavior. Think Merilyn Monroe, not Miley Cyrus. . .
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I feel like this needs to be powergamed. What are some ways to make golems and other constructs vulnerable to emotion effects?
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lemeres: No, bisexuality is not the default setting of Golarion. Plotsexual is the default setting of Golarion.
Assuming the OP of the information was correct, Paizo would have been better served stating that the cultures of Golarion are very open-minded and tend not to discriminate based on sexual orientation than by announcing that PF humans are bisexual by default.We didn't.
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You guys must really have more exciting games than what I play. If the typical gamer looked across the table at me and said "I want to role-play this event where after achieving sexual release I stand naked and worship my god." I would just stare blankly at him and finally tell him to roll up a new character. Maybe I am just too old fashioned.You are obviously unfamiliar with munchkins. For a +4 bonus, the players would have sex with anyone, not just the characters.
This vaguely remind me of a feat in spoof of dnd where you got a bonus for cutting your one of your hands. Like they even mentioned in the feat side-notes: "Some players are willing to do anything to get a bonus!"
Out of character is fine for handeling the morning rituals of Obedience however the question you asked is all about the in character effects of Obedience, spesificaly whom it would or would not effect.
Spesificly which intelligent creatures could be sexually attracted to you and thus efected.
The answer is roll play it and take your chances, requesting the bonus when it seams applicable.
There clear as mud. :)
I think it's important for Paizo to make the characters plot-sexual (or bisexual) because otherwise some players and DMs will play every NPC as hetero-til-proven-otherwise.
The daughter who flirts with the PC with the highest charisma in Rise of the Runelords, for example. She could totally go for a female PC.
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If you're male, then assume:
1. Females of your species, unless they're gay.
2. Gay male members of your species.
3. Members of your species who have had at least three drinks.
4. Members of your species who are pretty sure no one who knows them is watching.
I'd go with, for humanoids who have this, replace humanoids and some monstrous humanoids
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Flumphs, they are always asking for it. Just ask Mikaze.
I think the real problem is that, since sexual orientation can have a mechanical outcome, they have to do something. At least for PFS play, it would be sorely contrary to the intent of the standardization for your chances of success in a task to vary 20% depending on the GM's personal feelings about the nature of sexuality. So it makes sense for them to make a ruling of some sort. But what ruling? If they declare that everyone's always straight, that'll make some people unhappy. If they have to go through assigning answers for every single NPC, that'll make their writers and editors unhappy. If they make it die rolls or something, it'll be weird. Just handwaving it as "it turns out this person is attracted to you, yes" is probably one of the least-bad solutions.
I do understand the need to address the possibility for characters that can be all combinations of sexuality and genders and they want the game world to respond favorably to benefit characters that invest feats that are based on such things. However, I would rather they just built the game around not including sexuality as something that has a mechanical impact.
I do also understand that making writers and editors assign a sexuality to ever NPC mentioned in game would be challenging and annoying. But, I think they could also simply include a general set of instruction to randomly generate sexuality. Personally I'd assign a 25% chance to each of heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, and asexual and roll it. Is it perfect? No. But I like it better than the other option. It could probably be adjusted to reflect real world statistical observations. Though, then I fear people would complain there weren't enough non-heterosexual options as (at least in the US) the statistical data shows LGBT population at levels from about 5-10% depending on location.*
*Of course we can question the accuracy of self reported surveys used to obtain the data but....
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How do I determine who could be attracted to me?
Do they have eyes (or some other way to observe you and compare their observations to themselves)? Then yes, they could be attracted to you.
In real life, people are more likely to respect and/or show deference to people they see as more attractive than themselves, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. If the NPC you are interacting with would consider you to be someone they want to be with, or to be, you should get the bonus.
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Flumphs, they are always asking for it. Just ask Mikaze.What happens on Planet Groplenox stays on Planet Groplenox.
and some specific parts of the internet.