Howard wanted more money (the same money?) and they didn't want to give it to him and thought they could get someone a lot cheaper. They were right.
Downey negotiated his contract and got more money, it had nothing to do with Howard. Howard is just a case of sour grapes and blaming Downey (who doesn't control the movie's budget) is silly.
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Downey has a really good contract negotiator working for him. That's why he made so much money for Avengers. He had no idea how much the other actors were being paid (turns out it was a fraction of what he got. 1/10th or less in most cases.), and when he found out, he was pissed.
Now, he's publicly said that he won't do Avengers 2 is the rest of the ensemble doesn't get a serious raise.
Does that sound like the kind of guy who would snub a friend like Terrance Howard is claiming?
My gut tells me that there's more going on here than what Howard is saying.
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Howard wanted more money (the same money?) and they didn't want to give it to him and thought they could get someone a lot cheaper. They were right.
Downey negotiated his contract and got more money, it had nothing to do with Howard. Howard is just a case of sour grapes and blaming Downey (who doesn't control the movie's budget) is silly.
He wasnt blaming Downey for getting his salary cut. He was pissed because Downey didn't stand up for him. Says Howard not me folks.
Downey has a really good contract negotiator working for him. That's why he made so much money for Avengers. He had no idea how much the other actors were being paid (turns out it was a fraction of what he got. 1/10th or less in most cases.), and when he found out, he was pissed.
Now, he's publicly said that he won't do Avengers 2 is the rest of the ensemble doesn't get a serious raise.
Does that sound like the kind of guy who would snub a friend like Terrance Howard is claiming?
My gut tells me that there's more going on here than what Howard is saying.
Plus, the press is doing its usual scandalmongering. If something can be taken out of context and blown up out of all proportions, it will be.
Also, if what I heard from a friend is correct, he didn't even know he was cut until right before they started filming. He was understandably upset.
He had a contract. The contract was either fulfilled, renegotiated and signed by both parties, or else he has a lawsuit he can pursue.
It appears from the actual results of the three movies that the decision that he was not needed for the movies to be successful was an accurate assessment. I doubt the same would be true if Downey were the one dropped.
For him now to be making a big deal about this may well be a violation of his contract, and if so he might find himself in a world of trouble.
Even if not, it's not very flattering to his image.
I preferred Cheadle in the role anyways. I've always enjoyed his work - Howard sounds like a bitter a+*#@$$ who just wants someone (famous) to blame.
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I preferred Cheadle in the role anyways. I've always enjoyed his work - Howard sounds like a bitter a!~*%@% who just wants someone (famous) to blame.
Cheadle's a great actor, but a rather blah Rhodey.
LOVED him in Traitor, however.
He had a contract. The contract was either fulfilled, renegotiated and signed by both parties, or else he has a lawsuit he can pursue.
It appears from the actual results of the three movies that the decision that he was not needed for the movies to be successful was an accurate assessment. I doubt the same would be true if Downey were the one dropped.
For him now to be making a big deal about this may well be a violation of his contract, and if so he might find himself in a world of trouble.
Even if not, it's not very flattering to his image.
Seriously? Him being upset about being cut from a movie is a violation of contract? Come now, that's just silly- and if he was to be sued, it would have been some time ago. That said, Iron Man certainly is not the War Machine movie. Cheadle's made a few appearances as Rhodey, but it's not *his* movie. I doubt a War Machine movie starring Cheadle would be as interesting as one starring Howard, but that's just me.
Seriously? Him being upset about being cut from a movie is a violation of contract? Come now, that's just silly- and if he was to be sued, it would have been some time ago. That said, Iron Man certainly is not the War Machine movie. Cheadle's made a few appearances as Rhodey, but it's not *his* movie. I doubt a War Machine movie starring Cheadle would be as interesting as one starring Howard, but that's just me.He had a contract. The contract was either fulfilled, renegotiated and signed by both parties, or else he has a lawsuit he can pursue.
It appears from the actual results of the three movies that the decision that he was not needed for the movies to be successful was an accurate assessment. I doubt the same would be true if Downey were the one dropped.
For him now to be making a big deal about this may well be a violation of his contract, and if so he might find himself in a world of trouble.
Even if not, it's not very flattering to his image.
Some contracts, especially contracts which involve production of things that have a very high PR value (like making movies) have specific provisions for what can be said about the production of the thing being made.
His comment "I might get into trouble for this" suggests to me that his contract probably DID have a specific clause about talking about stuff like this.
Sure, I could be wrong, but this is not uncommon in Hollywood, or in the contracts of entertainers in general. Even most pro sports contracts have provisions about what can be said in public that might damage the value of the product.
Also, my initial comment about a lawsuit was not about HIS being sued, but that if he had a legitimate gripe about how he was weaseled out of money or appearances in the film, the proper venue to take that up is in a legal contract dispute, not a talk show interview. The fact that he didn't seem to be pursuing that option, instead was airing his grievances in public, implies to me that he has not been cheated, he is just bitter about a career move that he feels has hurt him.
Seriously? Him being upset about being cut from a movie is a violation of contract? Come now, that's just silly- and if he was to be sued, it would have been some time ago. That said, Iron Man certainly is not the War Machine movie. Cheadle's made a few appearances as Rhodey, but it's not *his* movie. I doubt a War Machine movie starring Cheadle would be as interesting as one starring Howard, but that's just me.He had a contract. The contract was either fulfilled, renegotiated and signed by both parties, or else he has a lawsuit he can pursue.
It appears from the actual results of the three movies that the decision that he was not needed for the movies to be successful was an accurate assessment. I doubt the same would be true if Downey were the one dropped.
For him now to be making a big deal about this may well be a violation of his contract, and if so he might find himself in a world of trouble.
Even if not, it's not very flattering to his image.
Some contracts, especially contracts which involve production of things that have a very high PR value (like making movies) have specific provisions for what can be said about the production of the thing being made.
His comment "I might get into trouble for this" suggests to me that his contract probably DID have a specific clause about talking about stuff like this.
Sure, I could be wrong, but this is not uncommon in Hollywood, or in the contracts of entertainers in general. Even most pro sports contracts have provisions about what can be said in public that might damage the value of the product.
Also, my initial comment about a lawsuit was not about HIS being sued, but that if he had a legitimate gripe about how he was weaseled out of money or appearances in the film, the proper venue to take that up is in a legal contract dispute, not a talk show interview. The fact that he didn't seem to be pursuing that option, instead was airing his grievances in public, implies to...
Oh I certainly think he's more pissed about being dropped moreso than saying he was being robbed. IIRC, he didn't even know he was dropped until a really, really bad time.
I remember hearing that Howard was the highest paid actor in the first film, making considerably more than even Downey.
He'd been the first actor to sign with Marvel when they started making movies (and Marvel didn't really know what they were doing at the time), and Marvel had actually thought that War Machine would be the break out character of the film, and had big plans to follow up Iron Man with a War Machine spin off, so they went overboard in locking up Howard.
According to this from March, he got $4.5 Million for the first film and was supposed to get $8 Million for the sequel. (He's also not acting particularly bitter at the time).
Anyway, no real shock that once IM1 was a big hit and Downey hit the role as Stark out of the park they decided to keep the franchise focused on him and wanted to start paying War Machine like a side kick rather than the lead.
Interesting....
Taking with a grain of salt as it is Jamie Foxx, but still..hmm...
I'll just leave this here...
Hee hee!
Oh right, I think they replaced that guy from the first movie with a new guy.
I guess it's been a while since I saw the first Iron Man. :)
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It just annoys me that actors get abysmal salaries and Marvel picks up all the cream. Not fair.
Thanks for putting a smile on my face on a Monday. Considering that any actor known to the general public by name earns far more than the average worker, even more than the average well paid professional, arguing about the relative amounts of large amounts of money they earn compared to the companies making the movie seems silly to me.
On top of their salary, they also get to make a living doing something they love, which not too many people can honestly say. I know lots of people would be thrilled to have a role in a superhero movie and would do it for free just for the experience.
It just annoys me that actors get abysmal salaries and Marvel picks up all the cream. Not fair.
The company I work at does this too! Hoarding all the monies while just paying me a meagre salary. Unfair!
I'm sure if the actors wanted to pony up part of the 200+ million in capital it takes to make a movie these days, up front, without any guarantee of success, then they'd probably get a bigger share.