George Zimmerman Found Not Guilty


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Come on guys, we're having a lovely court case brawl here, there's other threads for the firearms brawl.

According the Fake Healers logic about pictures, should George Zimmerman shoot Mead, you know to keep america safe?


ciretose wrote:
Andrew R wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Andrew R wrote:

http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1373810573316.jpg

That on is funny to me
Isn't that the photo of Martin that was circulating early on and then shown to not be him?
Not sure but the one of him at 12-14 was not accurate for anything either, aside from dishonesty to gather sympathy

So if it fits your narrative it is ok, but if it doesn't it is media bias.

Interesting...

That photo may look young and may well have been chosen for that purpose, but it's apparently recent

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According to Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump, the photograph of Trayvon Martin in the red Hollister t-shirt that Twitchy claimed was "a 5-year-old picture of the victim as a child" was actually taken in in August 2011, just seven months before Martin's death, when Trayvon was 16.


Kevin Mack wrote:
Well I can see this thread being locked by monday.

Soon as an admin bothers to check on it.

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Also, not 6'2

5'11, 158.

Medical examiners are Media Biaed as well, I suppose?

Or maybe the sources that said he was 6'2 had an agenda...

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ciretose wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Come on guys, we're having a lovely court case brawl here, there's other threads for the firearms brawl.
According the Fake Healers logic about pictures, should George Zimmerman shoot Mead, you know to keep america safe?

Here's a quote by me on page 3 :

" BTW I am not defending Z's actions as if he is totally innocent in all this... He took his role as Watchman too far and took a young man's life. Not an innocent child's life but a young man's life. Zman was out of line, Trayvon was acting like a thug. Neither action should have ended with a life being snuffed out.
I hate that the assumption is that Zimmerman was a racist. We don't know truly who he is. I hate the assumption that Trayvon was an innocent child victim. We know that he a teen trying to figure out what type of adult he would be amongst all the peer-pressure and questionable role-modeling out there today for teens.
The basics in my mind is: Zimmerman was a bully. Trayvon was acting like a thug if he ran off he could have kept running and been fine, he wanted to fight it out. If either had decided to put a value on either their own life or the other person's life then this wouldn't have happened.
Who was more at fault? I don't think it matters anymore. I think Zman is guilty of bullying and being an a-hole, and Trayvon was guilty of teenage stupidity and trespass. No racial crap, no child killing sh!t.
I don't think it should have cost either their life, whether in prison or in actuality."

Label me a racist though Ciretose, but I can promise you that you'd be hard-pressed to find a less-racist, sexist person if you really knew me.
I wasn't posting those pics to show that he was BLACK!!!Gasp!!! I posted to show that he isn't a "poor innocent child victim" like everyone pretends.


ciretose wrote:


Link to the video or you are full of it.

Read about the exlusion of cell phone pics somewhere.. the defense detailed some of the things that were in it. I'd try to find it, but there are thousands of articles about it.


Mead Gregorisson wrote:
ciretose wrote:


What in those pictures make Trayvon look dangerous to you?

You posted pictures with guns, I have tons of pictures of me giving the middle finger to my friends.

And I can send you over to Reddit/tree for lots and lots of pot pictures.

So what do you find dangerous? Him buying skittles?

Pssst... there were 80+ pictures that got excluded by the judge, including of the Lean he drank (made with skittles, Arizona watermelon and codeine cough syrup... also known a syzzrp, or something like that... growing marijuana (I'm not against marijuana though), guns, burglary tools, etc...

There was also a video of him beating up a homeless man for fun.

I'm sure you're just repeating nonsense you've seen somewhere on the internet, but it really doesn't make me take anything else you say seriously.

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@Fake Healer - I'm not labling you anything. I'm asking why you think linking to the picture of a 5'11" black dude make your argument.

What in those pictures makes Trayvon seem like a person that you get out of a car and follow down a dark alley with a gun?

Because Mead's pictures were frankly more suspicious to me than anything you posted.

But you made a choice to post what you posted. What that means is up to interpretation.

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And the Trayvon Picture (if it is actually from him...) is a picture of what looks like a pellet gun.

Why is that threatening to you from Trayvon, but not threatening to us from you?

I'm curious what the difference is.

So now you are walking through the neighborhood with a gun openly displayed and that would make you more or less suspicious than a 5'11" inch kid with a hoodie and a bag of skittles?

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Also, you have basically said you would have shot George Zimmerman if you were Trayvon Martin.

Think about that.

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ciretose wrote:

@Fake Healer - I'm not labling you anything. I'm asking why you think linking to the picture of a 5'11" black dude make your argument.

What in those pictures makes Trayvon seem like a person that you get out of a car and follow down a dark alley with a gun?

Because Mead's pictures were frankly more suspicious to me than anything you posted.

But you made a choice to post what you posted. What that means is up to interpretation.

You are right, they are certainly the exact pictures I would expect to see on the facebook page of an innocent child. Sorry but it looks more like the pics of a wannabe thug, who likes boasting about his illegal actions like growing weed and owning a gun. That doesn't make him guilty of anything but it does show who Z-man saw walking around out there better than the "poor, innocent, child" descriptions given by the prosecution.


Fake Healer wrote:
That doesn't make him guilty of anything but it does show who Z-man saw walking around out there better than the "poor, innocent, child" descriptions given by the prosecution.

Dude, Zimmerman is not ghost rider. He can't see into your soul.

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And that kid has a 3.7 GPA.

And Zimmerman saw the very last picture you posted. A guy wearing a hoodie who just bought a bag of skittles walking home.

Zimmerman followed him in his car for a block, then down a dark alley.

Mead would have apparently shot Zimmerman for that...

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ciretose wrote:

Also, you have basically said you would have shot George Zimmerman if you were Trayvon Martin.

Think about that.

And I will say that yes, if I was legally carrying and Z-man pulled that stuff he would have been shot. And it would have been justified.

They were both wrong. 2 wrongs make another wrong. A man died because he was stupid and the person he encountered was stupid. If either had decided not to be stupid then they wouldn't have a problem. But both stayed stupid and cranked the stupid knob up a few notches and 1 died and the remaining one is found to be only part of the stupid problem and not totally to blame for the stupidity. You can't find a man guilty of his and another person's stupidity, the other person bears some of the guilt also.


ciretose wrote:

Acting suspicious by walking home from 7/11 with a bag of skittles...

You are openly carrying a gun. That would seem more suspicious to me than carrying skittles...

Only innocent children eat Skittles, eh?

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If by "burglary tool" you mean a screwdriver. Look it up.

I would say a screwdriver is less of a burglary tool than say, a gun you are carrying openly walking down the street. Although that would me more of a robbery tool...hell just taking a picture of it makes you a thug to Fake Healer.

So if I found you suspicious for carrying a robbery tool, and followed you down an alley, you would shoot me, right. Particularly considering I followed you down a dark alley with a gun on me...

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@Fake Healer - Trayvon's "wrong" = Trayvon is dead.

Why is Trayvon dead? Because he did exactly what you would have done, minus the gun.

And if he had a gun, do you think he would have been acquitted...


You know, I was thinking earlier about how I could probably make up a situation that paralleled TM's, but told from his point of view and get some of the resident gun rights/self-defense advocates to claim they'd be justified to use their guns in self defense in such a situation. But I thought I'd have to wait awhile and find another context to bring it up in.

Apparently I was wrong.

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I also don't concealed carry.. I open carry. If they see that and decide to follow me home, they deserve to get shot. Hispanic, White, Black or Gray.

"If they follow me home, they deserve to get shot." Mind you, you wouldn't know, though you might be able to guess, whether they'd seen your gun or not.

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