"Pushing the envelope on what a Large mini can be...."


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Just wanted to state something and see what happens...
In the blog on minis for Shattered Star there are a couple minis that are written up as being "quasi-huge for a large" and "pushing the envelope on what a large mini can be". Please stop that. I hate putting a mini on the table that is large and it is bigger than some huges that we have. Not only does it ruin my personal immersion but it make the battlemat look crowded when a base is covered with as much plastic as can possibly fit on it.
I already have a bunch of minis that I won't use because they look ridiculously out of proportion (prime example is the D&D mini of a blue-garbed dwarf that was taller than most half-orcs and fully as wide as his base).
Please stop making minis that are over the line and tagging them with a "right at the limit of what a XXXX size should be" Paizo. The truth is it is too big to scale with the minis around it and that sucks.

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Another mini that I don't like was the D&D Stone Golemy looking mini that was in a running pose.....way too large on it's base.


I'd disagree.

While I don't think that halflings should ever be larger than humans, variance in monsters is just fine. The Troll Champion makes the original Troll look very small, yes. But that's fine. Monsters come in different sizes, like people. Basketball players are very tall, RPG players are very wide. I kid, I kid.

Erik has been very clear that scale matters to him and he will be paying close attention to that. So far I'm satisfied. Some Large minis will be tall, looming over some Huge minis. And yet the Huges are (generally) bulkier. Comparing the Troll Champion to say... the Glabrezu from the RotRL set, there's no question. The Troll is merely Large.

Point being, trust in Erik. There were some issues between him and Wizkids early on, but now size differences look good.


I fall somewhere in the center. I do not mind variations in size of the minis but I dislike when a mini is significantly different from others of its type. I also have seen mini lines have sale creep as they attempt to add more detail at the expense of scale integrity. So when I see figures shift quite a bit in size over just three sets it does make me take notice.

Unless it is by design (Troll Champion, the largest troll ever known to mankind) the figures should fall in about the same height and size as others of their type. To see the variations of Ogre and Troll for example just feels wrong regardless of the “but some are taller” argument.

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I tend to agree that having standards for size is important. The initial troll was tiny, much smaller than the ogre and ettin which were intended to be in it's same size class. It's almost like the new troll is compensating for the inadequacies of the earlier one. The early ettin was ginormous also.

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Aside- The gug is taller and the elementals are as massive, if not more so, than the troll. There are a number of "big large" figures in this set. None of them rival the size of the previous set's huge figures. Well, except maybe the lamia harridan, but quadruped sizing seems a bit wonky to me in general.

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My personal peeves stem from discriptions of the monster...a monster on a 10 foot base that stands 2 and a half bases high and the description says they stand 12-15 feet in height. That really irks me.

Grand Lodge

I re-based several tiny trolls as Mediums and called 'em babies...


It depends, for me. On a whole, if there would be a size differential in the size category, I would prefer it leaned more to the larger size, unless, it made it difficult for the miniature to sit solidly (without falling over).

I’ve actually noticed the opposite of your issue for the larger sized minis, and I mean huge and up. For several of them, especially the premiums, it seems to me they are not as big as they should be. The Black Dragon and Blue Dragon especially suffer from this. I just hope the premium boxes are not helping dictate how big these miniatures are designed. Yes, I know the Black Dragon had it’s own box, but it just still seemed a bit small for a dragon in the Huge size category.

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