Any word on if we are still getting Round 2 rules this week, as it was suggested we might?
Much as I'm enjoying voting on the wondrous items, I'm also keen to think about Round 2.
What the esteemed Jacob #2 said.
Okay. I'm a bit concerned. I'm now seeing triple. And even more concerning is that all 3 made the top 32 and 2 made the top 16 for 2012. That's just not right.
Okay. I'm a bit concerned. I'm now seeing triple. And even more concerning is that all 3 made the top 32 and 2 made the top 16 for 2012. That's just not right.
And of course the matching icons just serve to mess with the mind a bit more. Heh.
I think that was done on purpose.
Two of us actually had the same icon -- which was only used by 16 people, IIRC -- before we made it into the top 32 and the other (I think it was Jacob T. aka Jacob 3) joined us. We assimilate all Jacobs into our collective. We are Legion. I am Spartacus. Or something like all of that.
If it makes you feel better, I find it just as confusing. I look at their posts and think "I don't remember typing that," before realizing it's one of my doppelgangers. And every once in a while I worry I'm the doppelganger and have a moment of crisis.
We are the Jacob - resistance is futile!
Our next move is to convince the paizo web team to change the code, so that if your post contains the word Jacob, your avatar automatically changes to the Official RPG Superstar Jacob Avatar (TM).
You know, just as if your post contained the name of certain blue-skinned, white-hat-wearing, mushroom-dwelling creatures.
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Wait a minute....did I double post? Oh, right, it's you Jacob.
You know, if anyone of us ever changes our avatar, all these posts are going to make absolutely no sense.
Now watch everyone line up to buy the "Guide to the River Kingdoms" PDF. Paizo, you crafty golem you!
Before you buy anything, you may want to read this post by me.
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I feel silly for asking but I'm sick at the moment so my brain isn't firing on all cylinders, but, a question on the twist: the archetype is 'suitable for the River Kingdoms'... so is that coming from one of the areas of the River Kingdoms specifically (like the Aldori Swordlord archetype), any particular kingdom therein, suitable for the kingdoms as a whole, tied to a particular group within the kingdoms, or any/all of the above?
Yeah, I had a similar question. Are you looking for archetypes that are specifically tied to the setting (like many of the prestige classes, such as the Gray Gardener)? Or simply an archetype that could easily be seen in the River Kingdoms, among other places?
I think you can do either. Look at, say, the Golarion monster from last year. Some people did a monster that could appear in Golarion while others tried to tie it very tightly into the campaign setting. You'll have to decide which is better.
Yeah, I guess if you make an asian setting archetype for the River Kingdom it's not suitable.
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I also think you can take either approach. The Aldori Swordlord archetype is a good example of one tightly tied to a region whereas ones like the Crypt Breaker from Inner Sea Magic have a relatively loose tie to their region. Clearly you're not supposed to propose something like the Desert Druid unless there is an area in the River Kingdoms that I've forgotten.
Love that twist!!
This should be fun.
River Kingdoms, huh? One of my least favorite places on the planet is now the focus for Pathfinder Online AND RPG Superstar. I just can't win for losing. Guess I'll have to work even harder to make an awesome archetype given my dislike for the region.
See, I knew that the prize for round 1 was directly related for round 2. And here I was holding out for Nex/Mana Wastes/Geb! Oh well, there goes that idea, but its all good, something fresh to think about.
There is no need for the archetype to be tied to the RK, the archetype just needs to be able to exist in the RK, without mentioning it. Right?
Why oh why did they exclude the Ninja?
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RIVER KINGDOMS: The archetype must be something appropriate to the River Kingdoms region of Paizo’s Pathfinder campaign setting. The River Kingdoms is a collection of small city-states and independent towns bound together by a code of justice called the Six River Freedoms. More information on the River Kingdoms can be found in The Inner Sea World Guide and Guide to the River Kingdoms. An archetype that is not appropriate to the River Kingdoms (specifically, one designed for another country such as Cheliax or Osirion) will be disqualified.
I would say it is accurate that it just needs to be able to exist there. I would say it is up to you whether you tie it to the RK or not and I would say it is up to you whether you mention any linkage to the RK. What's going to get you into trouble is tying it to someplace else or creating one that by no stretch of the imagination would fit in the RK.
I think you can do either. Look at, say, the Golarion monster from last year. Some people did a monster that could appear in Golarion while others tried to tie it very tightly into the campaign setting. You'll have to decide which is better.
Ahhh, but which of those made it into top 8? Time for more homework. :)
Also: though much more specific than I thought, but called it :)
ps most of the links go to the active year, so it really will be some homework.
Your highest priority should be an archetype that is native to the River Kingdoms.
Failing that, make something from an adjacent country that could reasonably appear in the River Kingdoms.
What we don't want to see is an archetype for some other country or region entirely, that could only appear in the River Kingdoms if a person from that country with that archetype traveled to the River Kingdoms.
To use a real-world comparison:
If the rule said it had to be an archetype appropriate to the United States, then ideally you'd write an archetype for something from the USA.
And if you couldn't think of one, try one for Canada or Mexico.
What you should absolutely NOT do is write an archetype for Zimbabwe or Portugal and justify it as part of the competition "because there are people from Zimbabwe or Portugal living in the United States."
OK, here's another question. The rules say:
Design an interesting class archetype in 450 words (a set of alternate class features for a specific class, not for a specific race)
I assume that means "no racial archetypes allowed," but it's phrased in a way that sounds like it's warning against making alternate racial traits, rather than alternate class abilities. So which is it?
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I feel that archetypes should not be so closely tied to a region, organization, or even a race, and should be more universal variants found nearly everywhere. Or at the most limited only to a climate, terrain, or extra-planer theme.
Limiting them to a city, or country, or an organization, or even a race seems to be the province of Prestige Classes. Maybe that's just me and it seems Paizo has been phasing out prestige classes in favor of archetypes, so what do I know.
I was a touch scared when I read that the archetype had to be tied to the River Kingdoms given that I didn't know much about that area. As I read about it I was like 0.0 'my pre-existing idea fits SO well into this AHH' I feel good about this.
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What we don't want to see is an archetype for some other country or region entirely, that could only appear in the River Kingdoms if a person from that country with that archetype traveled to the River Kingdoms.
Even if that is the archetype's shtick? Like, "Cheliaxian Incursionist" or something.
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Wohoo....River Kingdoms. *Runs up to get the Guide to the River Kingdoms off his bookshelf.*
If I can't cook half a dozen interesting archetype ideas about that area, I don't deserve to be in this contest.
I feel that archetypes should not be so closely tied to a region, organization, or even a race, and should be more universal variants found nearly everywhere. Or at the most limited only to a climate, terrain, or extra-planer theme.
Limiting them to a city, or country, or an organization, or even a race seems to be the province of Prestige Classes. Maybe that's just me and it seems Paizo has been phasing out prestige classes in favor of archetypes, so what do I know.
An archetype lets you jump-start the mechanics for a character concept at level 1. A prestige class requires you to wait until at least character level 6.
An archetype also allows a spellcasting class to have full caster progression and other neat toys. A prestige class that gives full caster progression can only give a minimum of additional things because otherwise you're making the character more powerful compared to a character without the pclass; or you can give the pclass all the neat toys, but you have to also give it dead levels where it gets no spellcasting at all.
"Irrisen winter witch" is a perfectly valid concept for an archetype, even though it is tied very strongly to a specific region. Without the archetype, low-level witches in Irrisen have the exact same abilities as witches anywhere in the world. With the archetype, witches in Irrisen can have access to a unique set of abilities that other witches don't have.
What we don't want to see is an archetype for some other country or region entirely, that could only appear in the River Kingdoms if a person from that country with that archetype traveled to the River Kingdoms.Even if that is the archetype's shtick? Like, "Cheliaxian Incursionist" or something.
If the location requirement were Nidal, Molthune, Druma, or Andoran, a "Chelaxian incursionist" would be an appropriate choice because those countries are adjacent to Cheliax. But the River Kingdoms is not near Cheliax, and a Chelaxian incursionist is as much a fish out of water in the River Kingdoms as a Mwangi charu-style monk. That's why we went with the language we did for the rule—we wanted to allow for concepts relating to countries near the River Kingdoms, though the ideal submission is one that focuses on an archetype of the River Kingdoms rather than its neighbors.
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I think your misunderstanind what is being asked specifically, (or maybe do not want to give a solid answer just yet, which is fine). What is being asked is "Can we make a generic archtype that would could be reasonible availible anywhere and everywhere in Golarion, but is ok because the River Kingoms are a part of Golarion, (and thus the general archtype fits well there to)"?
I think your misunderstanind what is being asked specifically, (or maybe do not want to give a solid answer just yet, which is fine). What is being asked is "Can we make a generic archtype that would could be reasonible availible anywhere and everywhere in Golarion, but is ok because the River Kingoms are a part of Golarion, (and thus the general archtype fits well there to)"?
Can you? Yes.
Should you? Probably not.
To put the "generic archetype" question in another light, let me point out that the contest is asking you to create new content for Paizo's official setting, and you're asking if it's ok if you create content that would be okay for any setting.
As for the word count, 450 words is half a page, and (depending on class), many of the archetypes in the APG fall within that limit.
See, I knew that the prize for round 1 was directly related for round 2. And here I was holding out for Nex/Mana Wastes/Geb! Oh well, there goes that idea, but its all good, something fresh to think about.
Then there are sad Paizonians like me who have far too much stuff and already have both PDFs >.<
450 words sounds very small. I haven't counted the words in the APG archetypes but they seem a hell of a lot longer than the example on the rules page.
It's not that bad Coridan - once you have a go - my first effort came in at 360 words, unfortunately, it's too generic for the twist.
Now I could shoe horn it in by using those 90 words to "river kingdomise" it, but to be honest with myself, it would oh so show.
Nothing to it I guess - a few days reading and scribbling ahead for us all :)
Ok, my only other question is are racial class archetypes allowed? Such as the ones in the ARG.
Unless we are told otherwise, I think this is ok as all the racial archetypes put the target class in brackets - see the links on this list I posted recently - it should help I hope.
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Welp, back to the drawing board for me. =\ I had a really good one too.Wayfinder #9 is going to be focused on The Darklands, if that helps. I may rework one or both of my keep-pile archetypes for WF since they aren't going to be River Kingdomy enough for RPGSS.
My idea is actually perfect for darklands (it is a ratfolk cavalier archetype, ratfolk werent around when kingmaker and river kingdoms were done so dont mind sayingnthat now).
Ok, my only other question is are racial class archetypes allowed? Such as the ones in the ARG.
The answer is... in the R2 rules! :)
My idea is actually perfect for darklands (it is a ratfolk cavalier archetype, ratfolk werent around when kingmaker and river kingdoms were done so dont mind sayingnthat now).
I misread this at first as a ratfolk wererat cavalier. I was like, "that'd be odd, having a ratfolk ride a wereraft." However, having a cavalier that was a wererat and who could sort of serve as his own mount, charging in animal form and then transforming into humanoid form to deliver his attack? That could be a really cool archetype. I'm tempted to see if I can come up with that, albeit obviously not for Superstar Round 2...
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To put the "generic archetype" question in another light, let me point out that the contest is asking you to create new content for Paizo's official setting, and you're asking if it's ok if you create content that would be okay for any setting.
No worries, I just think they where trying to understand more clearly. Less any setting, more anywhere in Golarion, which would include the River Kingdoms, but not just the River Kingdoms. I already have mine ready and needing a few touch ups. :)