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OK I know that the five new factions all correspond to one of the originals. As far as handouts go are there any written out in the flavor (in their voice) of the new faction heads somewhere. If not are we allowed to write up versions to hand to players at our tables as long as it contains the pertinent mission info? Could we possibly create a resource thread here for a compiled list perhaps. It just bugs me to have to potentially have to hand over a "silver crusade" letter that is Andoran etc.
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When I run pre-season-3 things, I usually tell affected players to imagine the "story text" to be more fitting with what their faction actually is (and kind of bend the 4th wall a little in that regard).
Example - A Shadow Lodge PC during "Slave Pits of Absalom" would have chosen to voluntarily fail the Chelaxian mission she was handed, if I hadn't stopped game momentarily and told her to imagine:
I think players will understand :)
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See exactly the kind of situation I am thinking about CanisDirus. I was hoping that maybe there was an errata of sorts, or with permission maybe we GM's could compile a resource to do this job. I would hate to have a player miss out on their mission because they can't get behind the flavor of the original faction. I have a lot of 0-2 scenarios and am just now starting to get to run society games. I am running a home game group through first steps and I already know I have a couple of players that are going to go for the newer factions. A local shop is planning on starting up a regular game day in a couple months, and I would like to help run a table there from time to time as I can or am needed to. Surely others have had this come up on a regular basis. Do most gm's just hand over the original faction sheet as is, or do you as a gm try to add new faction flavor? Do you do like Canis and at the point of where a mission be completed give the player a bit of re-purposing if they are going to let it be failed for RP reasons? please share your examples.
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If you decide to use a re-wording of the faction missions to show they are coming from the new factions, there is one important thing to remember.
If members of two factions both receive the same faction mission, members of both factions are considered to have succeeded if either of them accomplishes the mission presented.
So even if you set it up to make it seem like they are getting the mission from one of the new factions, they still get credit if someone from the older "equivalent" factions finishes the mission.
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Players just have to live with some suspension of disbelief. Their character is participating in events that occurred (story-wise) before their factions existed. If you're unwilling or unable to work with that, then I would recommend you stick to Season 3 and later scenarios for you new-faction character(s) and roll up a second character (with one of the original 5 factions) to play the earlier stuff,
Why? Three reasons:
1) The new factions didn't exist in the game world prior to Season 3.
2) Re-writing the faction missions for the new factions could (depending on wording) alter the success conditions (or perceived success conditions) for the faction mission. This gets into the reasons for the "run as written" rule and leads directly into point #3.
3) Community efforts to update the Season 0 OGL Scenarios have failed largely due to a development and editing bottleneck. The resources required to go back and adapt old Scenarios are the same resources needed to put out new Scenarios. Which should Paizo spend their time and money on?
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Hey Jonathan nice to have you in the discussion as you are the VC for my area. I see your points and understand them, however it would seem that perhaps the community (Society GM's) could perhaps work together with coordinators to fix this issue.
1) I understand that those factions didn't exist in 0-2, but that doesn't help those players now. If those players are playing in a season 0-2 scenario their faction doesn't suddenly not exist.
2) Of course the rewrites would have to be done in such a way that does not change the success of the objective. As a GM who is new to running society games I want to make sure that I run things correctly. So far society seems much more open to participant input than any org play I have ever seen, and I for one consider that a good thing. It is my desire to enhance the feel of the campaign, but not at the expense of fairness or violation of the run as written rule.
3) The Paizo folks are busy putting out more great product and it is understandable that is where there focus should be. I thought maybe someone had tackled this issue though, and if not maybe we as a community could.
I will spend some time rewriting the mission for one of the scenarios I have and post them up so everyone can see an example of what I am thinking. Perhaps the exercise itself will show why it should or shouldn't be attempted. Looking forward to working with you Jonathan do you know when things may get going at Y2K? I would like to lend a hand if work permits.
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As a Shadow Lodge player who switched to that faction in Season 3 from Qadira, I haven't really found the missions too problematic. Granted Chelaxian missions are probably the most different thematically from their Season 3 "Partner" ones but the TN Calladavar doesn't usually have a problem with them. Usually. The other ones I have not seen as that problematic with the possible aside of some Andoran ones being a little too extreme for Silver Crusade paladin types. They'll never be perfect, but they work enough for me :).
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Hey Jonathan nice to have you in the discussion as you are the VC for my area.
Cool deal :)
3) The Paizo folks are busy putting out more great product and it is understandable that is where there focus should be. I thought maybe someone had tackled this issue though, and if not maybe we as a community could.
Even if we do, for it to be legal for Society play we'd need to have it reviewed and approved by the development staff, then have the PDFs sent back through layout and give the missions at least one editing pass -- which gets back to, "How should they spend their time?"
Looking forward to working with you Jonathan do you know when things may get going at Y2K? I would like to lend a hand if work permits.
Hopefully soon. The coordinator for the gamedays in Richardson moved to Weatherford for his new job, and he's supposed to be starting things up at Y2K. That's really not relevant to the discussion here, so feel free to PM me if you want to discuss further.