
Thomas Long 175 |
What would happen if we grabbed 500 people from all across the country from all walks of life. Completely random people gotten just by generating random social security numbers, and put them in the white house with all presidential candidates and made them live there together for 9 months preceding the election?
They could have no access to the outside world beyond different newspapers delivered daily and television. No actual two way communication.
Then at the end of the 9 months those people got to elect the president instead of the electorate.
Just a thought experiment.

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No offense, but this is an extremely bad idea filled with so many problems I can only begin to list them:
How do you ensure that the selection is truly random?
What if you randomly get a group that represents an extreme minority view on a hot topic, such as abortion, or the legalization of narcotics?
How can you be sure the list of people won't be leaked, leading to bribery attempts, identity theft of the select group (including assassinating and replacing them)?
What if you select a random group with a median IQ of 75?
What if the group is made up of an easy supermajority (80%) of one ethnic, religious, or cultural background, or a single gender or sexual orientation?
What if that supermajority is a small minority in the general populace?
There are literally trillions of dollars and the lives of billions of individuals that get affected by this. With stakes that high controlled by only 500 people, the temptation for special interest groups of all stripes to tweak the outcome would be irresistible.

Thomas Long 175 |
No offense, but this is an extremely bad idea filled with so many problems I can only begin to list them:
How do you ensure that the selection is truly random?
What if you randomly get a group that represents an extreme minority view on a hot topic, such as abortion, or the legalization of narcotics?
How can you be sure the list of people won't be leaked, leading to bribery attempts, identity theft of the select group (including assassinating and replacing them)?
What if you select a random group with a median IQ of 75?
What if the group is made up of an easy supermajority (80%) of one ethnic, religious, or cultural background, or a single gender or sexual orientation?
What if that supermajority is a small minority in the general populace?
There are literally trillions of dollars and the lives of billions of individuals that get affected by this. With stakes that high controlled by only 500 people, the temptation for special interest groups of all stripes to tweak the outcome would be irresistible.
I know. But I also know what we have is already broken. Best way to fix something, come up with ideas and start testing. I'm an engineer and thats how we fix things. You postulate whats causing the problem and then start trying stuff.
That and every major problem you just mentioned already occurs. They just get to do it to the same people every election.
I'm just postulating what would happen if we had a "rotating" & "random" electorate for the president chosen from the entire populace rather than simply from politicians alone.
Further even the founding fathers didn't think that people in general were fit to choose president. They needed a group that would be informed and thus the forced live in.

The 8th Dwarf |
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I think wanting to be a politician should automatically exclude you from the job.
Beyond that I have no idea how to fix anybodies political system.
From the out side looking in... The US election system takes up too much time and too much money... I think 6 months should the maximum campaigning time.
The US doesn't seem to have an opposition leader - when our PM is elected the opposition choose their leader and usually baring any major shake ups within the party the Opposition leader is the person whom represents the opposition at the next election. The OL is known to the people and his competence and skills have been on display throughout his time in opposition.
All the backstabbing and nastiness in the US electoral system seems to be very public and mud flung even if its by your own side sticks... It gives the incumbent an advantage and a lot of ammunition.

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You get a president that is chosen on the virtue of what a good pal and housemate he is (or manages to portrait). Additionally you get a president who has to spend a lot of time in his office to fetch up with what happened in the last nine months.
You may think that the system is broken, but replacing the system developed and continually fixed over long decades by something somebody (or some group) just came up with will probably produce a system at least as broken that will take decades to fix.
Better start analysing the specific problems and think about specific fixes than to come up with random revolutions IMHO.

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You get a president that is chosen on the virtue of what a good pal and housemate he is (or manages to portrait). Additionally you get a president who has to spend a lot of time in his office to fetch up with what happened in the last nine months.
You may think that the system is broken, but replacing the system developed and continually fixed over long decades by something somebody (or some group) just came up with will probably produce a system at least as broken that will take decades to fix.
Better start analysing the specific problems and think about specific fixes than to come up with random revolutions IMHO.
Problems with the system
1. Lack of interest in Total participation at all levels
2. Lack of Infrastructure to ensure possibility of total participation of the populace
Solution: Shoot everyone.

Comrade Anklebiter |

What would happen if we grabbed 500 people from all across the country from all walks of life. Completely random people gotten just by generating random social security numbers, and put them in the white house with all presidential candidates and made them live there together for 9 months preceding the election?
They could have no access to the outside world beyond different newspapers delivered daily and television. No actual two way communication.
Then at the end of the 9 months those people got to elect the president instead of the electorate.
Just a thought experiment.
This is the story of 500+ strangers picked to live in a house and have their lives determine the election. Find out what happens when people stop being polite and start getting real. Real World: Voting is for ninnies!!

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Another problem:
Among those 500 random people there might be just one
a) filthy rich guy
b) amoral sociopath willing to threaten others into submission
c) mob leader willing to imply what might happen to the others once they are done voting
d) a megacorp CEO knowing many of the others might be directly or indirectly employed by his corporation
e) a charismatic demagogue
He becomes the one man with the one vote.