Shoud Paizo look at DDM when determining what gets made?

[Jason Grubiak]

Just a suggestion. Do you agree that when a set list for a new Pathfinder Battles set is being determined that old sets of DDM should influence it?

The Huge Black Dragon is a good example. Out of the 5 chromatic dragons all have been released as huge except the black....well...it was made but it had a rider that most people didnt want on its back.
Is this a coincidence? I really hope its not.
When the time comes for a gargantuan dragon Paizo should chose green or red since there already is white, blue and black.

Now do not get me wrong. I am not saying they Paizo shouldnt eventually make every monster in the Biestary themselves.
Im not saying they shouldnt make a chimera because DDM already has 2 chimeras. That would be insane.
I realize not everyone owns DDM and that Pathfinder Battles needs to stand on its own. I am aware of that. Im just saying I feel a LOT of people who buy Pathfinder minis are people who own tons of DDM.

I just really think that Paizo should ask themselves "what never appeared in DDM" at least a few times in each set.

- Consider the Small or Huge Water Elemental before making a Small or Huge Fire Elemental.
- Take note that DDM inexplicably never produced a Large or small Snake yet made 3 medium snakes.
- Take note what Race/Gender/Class combos were never done in DDM. There was no Male Gnome Druid. There were practically no Bards or Female Half-Orcs, or younger looking male human spellcasters.
- You did a male dwarf with an axe. Thats good. Lets not make one in every set.

Do you guys agree?

[Morgen]

Well if nothing else they should look at other miniatures lines to see what they did wrong and not make the same mistake.

For example, making Stirges uncommon. That was freaking stupid. You almost always need like 3-5 of those little guys.

[Souphin]

Since at this moment Pathfinder miniatures are not for battle but for role playing the miniatures should reflect aspects of the Campaign Setting. For example, at this moment I do not think there is a miniature with a starknife and that looks to be a common weapon in the campaign settings and not just females with star knifes. Varisians, shonti, hell knights, even Linnorm. My main issue is that even if I am not playing Golarion I can still use these figs, unlike the box of warforged that are waiting to be golem proxies.+

Another thing is just not recycled poses and fig. People uses a variety of weapons , quarterstaffs, kukri, sorcerer/barbarian claw attacks, earthbreakers, lance (un-mounted), trident, double Axe ( non-orc), pistol ( some may sigh), Dogslicer , Lucerne hammer, Dwarven maulaxe, Dwarven dorn-dergar, and various new items in pathfinder that are not already found in DDM.

[Enlight_Bystand]

The black dragon was almost certainly not to fill out a hole in d&d line -it was direct from the beginner box cover, which was commissioned over a year ago..

[gbonehead]

If nothing else I hope they avoid the "random weird useless monster" tangent that DDM went off on towards the end.

[Alarian Darkwind]

gbonehead wrote:

If nothing else I hope they avoid the "random weird useless monster" tangent that DDM went off on towards the end.

This! I can't tell you how many monsters I have that as soon as I saw them I knew I would never use them. Don't make weird useless monsters unless there is a good reason for it. I would much rather have several different versions of Orcs that that would get used over and over vs. s Norwegian Kleep Flicker with an extra elbow on his nose.

[Vic Wertz]

When we're working on a Pathfinder Battles setlist, we do consider what other prepainted minis have been available. (It's not a *primary* driver, but we do consider it.)