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Hey all,
I've asked two of the more experience Pathfinder/d20 GMs at my PbP site and I've gotten two different answers to this question. I've also googled around and seen different people do the calculations a bit differently.
Scenario:
Class: Fighter
Level: 1
Int: 7 (-2)
Skill Points: 2 + INT Modifier
The Rules:
#1: "your character always gets at least 1 skill point per level" Pathfinder OGC
#2: Favored Class option of +1 skill per level
#3: Humans receive +1 skill per level
The characters:
1: Non-human
2: Non-human w/favored class skill point
3: Human
4: Human w/favored class skill point
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Option A: Doing class skill points first, then adding human bonus, then adding fav class bonus
A1) If non-human: 1 skill point per level
Math: 2 + (-2) = 0 = 1 min
A2) If non-human and uses favored class skill point: 2 skill points per level
Math: 2 + (-2) = 0 = 1 min + 1 favclass = 2
A3) If human: 2 skill points per level
Math: 2 + (-2) = 0 = 1 min + 1 human = 2
A4) If human and uses favored class skill point: 3 skill points per level
Math: 2 + (-2) = 0 = 1 min + 1 human + 1 favclass = 3
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Option B: Doing all calculations at same time
B1) If non-human: 1 skill point per level
Math: 2 + (-2) = 0 = 1 min
B2) If non-human and uses favored class skill point: 1 skill points per level
Math: 2 + (-2) + 1 favclass = 1
B3) If human: 1 skill points per level
Math: 2 + (-2) + 1 human = 1
B4) If human and uses favored class skill point: 2 skill points per level
Math: 2 + (-2) + 1 human + 1 favclass = 2
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Is there a definite ruling on this other than home/local rules? I've searched everywhere, but I can't find out if the racial bonus and favored class skill point are added after the class skill calculation or during the calculation.
INT 7 gives you a -2 modifier, not -4!
Otherwise: Its one point from class & INT, and two points from favoured class and human, so three points.
Apply negative modifiers as normal, but if you had a character who's int modifier brought him lower than 1, you still get a minimum of one skill point per level before adding favored class if you wanted.
I've updated the math. I had used -4 instead of -2 for INT modifier, so now the numbers are updated.
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It's been ruled. Basically you just take the class + int, minimum 1, and add bonuses. It can be a bit of a cheat for those with 2 skill points, as dropping to 7 affords no larger penalties than a 9 (as you probably don't take int skills with this guy anyway and most int skills can't be used untrained).
So, regular 1 (even if you somehow had 3 int), +1 if you are human, +1 if you use favored class. So a human with 7 int and favored class gets 3 skill points per level.
It's been ruled. Basically you just take the class + int, minimum 1, and add bonuses. It can be a bit of a cheat for those with 2 skill points, as dropping to 7 affords no larger penalties than a 9 (as you probably don't take int skills with this guy anyway and most int skills can't be used untrained).
So, regular 1 (even if you somehow had 3 int), +1 if you are human, +1 if you use favored class. So a human with 7 int and favored class gets 3 skill points per level.
Do you know if that rule is documented in errata?
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It's not; basically James Jacob has just come on the forums and told the order of operations. It's the most intuitive way, but the fact that it has been brought up enough times indicates it should be clarified somewhere "official". Someone may be able to find one of the threads James has come on and talked about this.
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It's not; basically James Jacob has just come on the forums and told the order of operations. It's the most intuitive way, but the fact that it has been brought up enough times indicates it should be clarified somewhere "official". Someone may be able to find one of the threads James has come on and talked about this.
Thanks. After quite a bit of searching, I found his response to a similar question.
http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz2b8s&sort=0?Dumb-Humans-and-skills#10
I agree that it should be added to the errata or FAQ. Order of operations is important when doing calculations like this which has a minimum value implemented.
