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I preparing the In Service to Lore chronicle sheet for my players, I noticed that two of the five treasure items listed are carried by Auntie Baltwin. Although it's possible, it seems highly unlikely that most encounters with her will end in combat and, therefore, the party acquiring said items. Should the party really be denied the items in question if they don't fight her, even if they did uncover all of her dirty secrets? This is a great social conflict encounter that avoids the need to resort to combat, but then seems to reward unnecessary violence in the end.
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I preparing the In Service to Lore chronicle sheet for my players, I noticed that two of the five treasure items listed are carried by Auntie Baltwin. Although it's possible, it seems highly unlikely that most encounters with her will end in combat and, therefore, the party acquiring said items. Should the party really be denied the items in question if they don't fight her, even if they did uncover all of her dirty secrets? This is a great social conflict encounter that avoids the need to resort to combat, but then seems to reward unnecessary violence in the end.
Since both items are on the always available list, and are less than 500gp, I wouldn’t worry about it.
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Since both items are on the always available list, and are less than 500gp, I wouldn’t worry about it.
Yes, those are the items in question. However, since the spells are 2nd and 3rd level respectively, they don't fall under the list of Always Available Items. Additionally, while it shouldn't take long for the characters to accumulate enough prestige to reach the 500gp threshold, they still have a few scenarios to go before they reach that point.
I realize this isn't a pivotal issue. I guess it's more of a technicality that I'm curious to hear other peoples' thoughts on.
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PCs could steal the items from her, or gain them from blackmail or intimidation. I would cross the items off the Chronicle if the PCs didn't obtain them during the scenario. It should be noted that the PCs will not lose any gold off of the Chronicle sheet if this does happen. This was not implied by the OP, I just want the point reinforced.
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Since both items are on the always available list, and are less than 500gp, I wouldn’t worry about it.
Yes, those are the items in question. However, since the spells are 2nd and 3rd level respectively, they don't fall under the list of Always Available Items. Additionally, while it shouldn't take long for the characters to accumulate enough prestige to reach the 500gp threshold, they still have a few scenarios to go before they reach that point.
I realize this isn't a pivotal issue. I guess it's more of a technicality that I'm curious to hear other peoples' thoughts on.
Well, true enough they are not always available, but the 500gp limit is 4 or less Fame, so as soon as they earn their 2 Fame from this scenario, they can purchase the items with gold without a chronicle.
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This is part of what the Reward Creative Solutions section on page 25 of the Guide refers to. If the players are successful in an encounter in a way other than is intended by the scenario writer, then it is your job to reward their creativity and come up with a way for them to find the treasure they would have normally gotten from completing the encounter the intended way.
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This is part of what the Reward Creative Solutions section on page 25 of the Guide refers to. If the players are successful in an encounter in a way other than is intended by the scenario writer, then it is your job to reward their creativity and come up with a way for them to find the treasure they would have normally gotten from completing the encounter the intended way.
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Well, true enough they are not always available, but the 500gp limit is 4 or less Fame, so as soon as they earn their 2 Fame from this scenario, they can purchase the items with gold without a chronicle.
The "4 or less" line of that table is unclear and will be corrected going forward. You can not purchase items from beyond the Always Available list with fewer than 4 Fame.
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The "4 or less" line of that table is unclear and will be corrected going forward. You can not purchase items from beyond the Always Available list with fewer than 4 Fame.Well, true enough they are not always available, but the 500gp limit is 4 or less Fame, so as soon as they earn their 2 Fame from this scenario, they can purchase the items with gold without a chronicle.
Ah, thanks Mark.
In light of this news, then yeah, you gotta cross the items off the chronicle, despite the fact:
So, always kill old ladies who run orphanages, then loot them. Got it. I guess my sociopath Magus companion was right.
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I've run into the same issue. Reading "Creative solutions" on p. 34 of the PFSGtOP, I will leave them on the chronicle sheet. I will not punish them for not killing an old lady.
In future runs of this scenario, I will have the Silver Crusade reward the PCs with those two items should they complete the encounter successfully and without aquiring the items in another way.
I've been through that scenario three times as a player. I went back and checked my chronicle sheets, those two items are there on all three. I know in one run, we had a paladin with us who would not let another player's character take the documentary evidence of the old woman's malfeasance (that would be stealing) but failed to convince her to turn herself in. We'd not given the parcel to her and withheld it from her when she refused to allow us to administer the medicines directly to the children (rather than giving them to her for her to administer and allowing her to sell them instead). When we returned to the temple and returned the parcel, we were told that the paladin's word alone was insufficient without further proof against Auntie, but that we could keep the scroll of remove disease that had been in the parcel.
I don't know how the potion of invisibility remained, however.
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Well, if one of the PCs caught a disease from the rats at the warehouse, I have Auntie spot it and use the scroll in an attempt to butter up the PCs.
As for the potion, I've always forgotten to have it drop somewhere else, but I've been keeping it on the chronicle sheets since the PCs successfully complete the encounter.