One plan for my party is to use the witch's familiar to be on top of the tank, and there for, heal him or buff him when needed.
Since it is a tiny creature, and depending on the creature, like a bird, or monkey, or lizard, or weasel, if the tank isn't actively resisting the creature, I don't see why you couldn't.
Also, even if the creature is in the same adjacent square as the tank, one could argue that he isn't able to take an AoO. "He grapples the tank, but tank isn't resisting, and he isn't trying to impede the tank's movements?" He would also technically have total concealment depending on here he was on the tank, say, on his shield arm.
I've seen pets stay on their owners body with little to no trouble, a snake wrapped around their neck "I never would trust a snake like that." A bird/bat perched on you shoulder, a monkey on your back :p . A weasel inside the tanks backpack or pocket.
Maybe a climb check or acrobatic checks to see if he can hold on? I don't think it is that far of a stretch, it the familiar would have a very large defense bonus, depending if the they actually had to get through the tank to get the familiar.
Deliver Touch Spells (Su) : If the master is 3rd level or higher, a familiar can deliver touch spells for him. If the master and the familiar are in contact at the time the master casts a touch spell, he can designate his familiar as the “toucher.” The familiar can then deliver the touch spell just as the master would. As usual, if the master casts another spell before the touch is delivered, the touch spell dissipates.
Note the bolded part. The answer is Yes, but the witch would have to be in touch range of her familiar and thus the fighter. Thus making it a bit pointless.
Deliver Touch Spells (Su) : If the master is 3rd level or higher, a familiar can deliver touch spells for him. If the master and the familiar are in contact at the time the master casts a touch spell, he can designate his familiar as the “toucher.” The familiar can then deliver the touch spell just as the master would. As usual, if the master casts another spell before the touch is delivered, the touch spell dissipates.
Note the bolded part. The answer is Yes, but the witch would have to be in touch range of her familiar and thus the fighter. Thus making it a bit pointless.
Not quite, since another forum post had just discussed that you could cast the spell on your turn, and then have the familiar go to the tank and cast the spell. While keeping both the caster and familiar out of harms way.
Not quite, since another forum post had just discussed that you could cast the spell on your turn, and then have the familiar go to the tank and cast the spell. While keeping both the caster and familiar out of harms way.Deliver Touch Spells (Su) : If the master is 3rd level or higher, a familiar can deliver touch spells for him. If the master and the familiar are in contact at the time the master casts a touch spell, he can designate his familiar as the “toucher.” The familiar can then deliver the touch spell just as the master would. As usual, if the master casts another spell before the touch is delivered, the touch spell dissipates.
Note the bolded part. The answer is Yes, but the witch would have to be in touch range of her familiar and thus the fighter. Thus making it a bit pointless.
True, but a wiz cant cast another spell while the familiar is holding that spell.
I thought you wanted the familiar to stay on the fighters shoulder and not run back and forth.
If the familiar runs back and forth then you can use the familiar as a toucher, but then initiative orderr becomes your main factor.
Not quite, since another forum post had just discussed that you could cast the spell on your turn, and then have the familiar go to the tank and cast the spell. While keeping both the caster and familiar out of harms way.Deliver Touch Spells (Su) : If the master is 3rd level or higher, a familiar can deliver touch spells for him. If the master and the familiar are in contact at the time the master casts a touch spell, he can designate his familiar as the “toucher.” The familiar can then deliver the touch spell just as the master would. As usual, if the master casts another spell before the touch is delivered, the touch spell dissipates.
Note the bolded part. The answer is Yes, but the witch would have to be in touch range of her familiar and thus the fighter. Thus making it a bit pointless.
True, but a wiz cant cast another spell while the familiar is holding that spell.
I thought you wanted the familiar to stay on the fighters shoulder and not run back and forth.
If the familiar runs back and forth then you can use the familiar as a toucher, but then initiative orderr becomes your main factor.
Yes, but now the wizard can get some distance between him and the fight.
Situation I know, but useful. Also, casting burning gazed on a monkey that is sitting on your armored tank's head for added hilarity. FEAR THE MONKEY ON MY HEAD! :p
If we're on the same page then the initiative would go like this
Caster casts spell with familiar as "toucher' -> Familiar moves to fighter and delivers touch-> Profit
I like the burning gaze monkey thing. I'll be using that in this sunday's game. Of course the monkey could be anywhere, On fighter, hanging from a chandelier, etc.
I see a slight problem: A Tiny sized creature (in this case the monkey) has a reach of 0' so he has to move in the square of the opponent (leaving the square of the fighter) with a possible AoO.
N.B.: I'm not sure about the use of "touch" vs "ranged touched" in that case.
A witches familiar is slightly superior to other familiars and in the case of the witch this is actually much more viable.
from APG (page 69):
"Deliver Touch Spells (Su): If a witch is 3rd level or higher,
her familiar can deliver touch spells or hexes for her. If
the witch and the familiar are in contact at the time the
witch casts a touch spell, she can designate her familiar
as the “toucher.” The familiar can then deliver the touch
spell just as the witch would. As usual, if the witch casts
another spell before the touch is delivered, the touch
spell dissipates. If the witch activates a hex, her familiar
can be used to make the touch. She does not have to be in
contact with the familiar to use this ability."
So you do not have to be in touch when the spell is cast, also the witch is free to use hexes through the familiar as well. I suppose you could have the familiar make some kind of check, like ride but not quite, to act while directing his 'steed' an acrobatic check would be fine I suppose.. though it might be interesting if the familiar took mounted combat to provide the barbarian with superior tactical direction.
A witches familiar is slightly superior to other familiars and in the case of the witch this is actually much more viable.
from APG (page 69):
"Deliver Touch Spells (Su): If a witch is 3rd level or higher,
her familiar can deliver touch spells or hexes for her. If
the witch and the familiar are in contact at the time the
witch casts a touch spell, she can designate her familiar
as the “toucher.” The familiar can then deliver the touch
spell just as the witch would. As usual, if the witch casts
another spell before the touch is delivered, the touch
spell dissipates. If the witch activates a hex, her familiar
can be used to make the touch. She does not have to be in
contact with the familiar to use this ability."So you do not have to be in touch when the spell is cast, also the witch is free to use hexes through the familiar as well. I suppose you could have the familiar make some kind of check, like ride but not quite, to act while directing his 'steed' an acrobatic check would be fine I suppose.. though it might be interesting if the familiar took mounted combat to provide the barbarian with superior tactical direction.
The witch has to be in contact with the familiar when she cast a touch spell in order to have the familiar be the Toucher. See bolded portion above.
The witch has to be in contact with the familiar when she cast a touch spell in order to have the familiar be the Toucher.
Spell, but not Hex. The familiar could share the fighter's square and deliver a Healing hex.
The witch has to be in contact with the familiar when she cast a touch spell in order to have the familiar be the Toucher.Spell, but not Hex. The familiar could share the fighter's square and deliver a Healing hex.
Once. You can only get a healing hex once per day.
The familiar could share the fighter's square and deliver a Healing hex.Once. You can only get a healing hex once per day.
Yes, by 'get' meaning benefit from. The witch could also use this for Major Healing, Life Giver, and Vision (questionable).
Personally, I wouldn't want my familiar in the thick of combat at all, especially since it's my spellbook.
I see a slight problem: A Tiny sized creature (in this case the monkey) has a reach of 0' so he has to move in the square of the opponent (leaving the square of the fighter) with a possible AoO.
N.B.: I'm not sure about the use of "touch" vs "ranged touched" in that case.
This bit is key.
To heal/buff the fighter, the little guy would have to run back and forth between the witch's square and inside the fighter's square.
To do offence, the fighter is irrelevant since the little guy would have to enter the enemy's square (provoking an AoO from the target regardless what square it's entering from or who's in it, and leaving him there at the end of the move & touch attack, or if he 5' steps in, leaving him there anyway since he then can't move back out).
have you all gone insane? The familiar delivers the touch spell as if the caster was touching the target.
This exact scenario is listed as an enemy tactic in more Pathfinder books than I can count and is therefore canon.
Is there a particular part of this 16-month-old thread that you disagree with?