Yeeessssss
I would love to see there take on savage species.
The name is a bit,... well, .....um, .....I am not sure if "Ultimate Races" is a title I want people to read on my bockshelf
Based on the tweets out of PaizoCon, its basically "Savage Species" for Pathfinder, with a bunch of races with level based progressions.Booooo!!!
I interpreted what I read as something altogether different from Savage Species, specifically detailing options for 0-HD races like tieflings, aasimars, dhampirs or the elemental races from Bestiary 2 and to so, and not races with racial hit dice.
The name is a bit,... well, .....um, .....I am not sure if "Ultimate Races" is a title I want people to read on my bockshelf
Hm, indeed, might call up the wrong images. Maybe Paizo should re-think that title.
terrible idea with an even worse name. savage species was horrible, one of the things i loved about pathfinder was the fact you couldn't be bugbears or trolls, i truly hope they do not do this book.
and what's up with the title? i thought you people were from seattle, where is your racial sensitivity?.
worst idea ever!
Not what I was hoping for. High level, low magic, magic items, naval, ruling domains, planar - I can thing of a number of topics I need more than a races book.
this doesnt seem like Savage Species at all
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Mentioned by Jason Bulmahn on his fb page. Anyone have more details?Based on the tweets out of PaizoCon, its basically "Savage Species" for Pathfinder, with a bunch of races with level based progressions.
found some more info on the internets. it wont be like savage species, it'll cover tieflings, aasimar, and the like (races without base hit dice).
whew! i was really worried there for a moment. also james jacobs said "ultimate races" is just a working title and will be changed prior to publication. on the plus side bestiary 3 might be out for christmas (a big, big might, seeing as bestiary 2 was promised for before halloween and didnt come out til after christmas last year).
don't forget races with teleportationYup, and planar races (how to get from point X to point Y in Maelstrom... when geometry makes no sense there?) too.
How about an appendix for steeple chases?
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How about an appendix for steeple chases?don't forget races with teleportationYup, and planar races (how to get from point X to point Y in Maelstrom... when geometry makes no sense there?) too.
Getting from the church of adabar to the church of Shelyn is easy enough, but getting to the church of Norborger takes some searching.
The name is a bit,... well, .....um, .....I am not sure if "Ultimate Races" is a title I want people to read on my bockshelf
Yeah, that could pose a problem in Germany ...
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and what's up with the title? i thought you people were from seattle, where is your racial sensitivity?.
worst idea ever!Not everyone lives in "yesterday captain" ;-)
if i could remove my first post i would (don't know how, not the most computer savvy:), it was a bit reactionary i s'pose. i spent a good part of my twenties in seattle (wasn't that long ago), its just a working title, my apologies to anyone at paizo and anyone i may have pissed off i'm sorry.
So if it focuses on the "0 hd races" like aasimar, dhampir, sylph, etc. that would be even better than savage species.
So if it focuses on the "0 hd races" like aasimar, dhampir, sylph, etc. that would be even better than savage species.
yes it does sound like an awesome book (if not like savage species)
It is going to Foucus on the 0HD races, but also have info on any race that advances by character class.
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if i could remove my first post i would (don't know how, not the most computer savvy:), it was a bit reactionary i s'pose. i spent a good part of my twenties in seattle (wasn't that long ago), its just a working title, my apologies to anyone at paizo and anyone i may have pissed off i'm sorry.
and what's up with the title? i thought you people were from seattle, where is your racial sensitivity?.
worst idea ever!Not everyone lives in "yesterday captain" ;-)
They have when a post is an hour old or older you no longer can delete or edit I think.
I was trying to make a funny with your screen name. ;-)
The name is a bit,... well, .....um, .....I am not sure if "Ultimate Races" is a title I want people to read on my bockshelfYeah, that could pose a problem in Germany ...
Nah, not very likely. RPGs are not known well enough and not that controversial in good ol germany.
Btw, yes we got electricity and no, Angela Merkel is Bundeskanzler not "Reichskanzler" :P
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The name is a bit,... well, .....um, .....I am not sure if "Ultimate Races" is a title I want people to read on my bockshelfYeah, that could pose a problem in Germany ...Nah, not very likely. RPGs are not known well enough and not that controversial in good ol germany.
Btw, yes we got electricity and no, Angela Merkel is Bundeskanzler not "Reichskanzler" :P
And you don't drive your panzers over neighboring countries any more!
*hears some crashing and rumbling sounds in the garden*
What? Wait, KaeYoss, nooooooooooooooooooo.........!
The name is a bit,... well, .....um, .....I am not sure if "Ultimate Races" is a title I want people to read on my bockshelfYeah, that could pose a problem in Germany ...Nah, not very likely. RPGs are not known well enough and not that controversial in good ol germany.
Btw, yes we got electricity and no, Angela Merkel is Bundeskanzler not "Reichskanzler" :P
And you don't drive your panzers over neighboring countries any more!
*hears some crashing and rumbling sounds in the garden*
What? Wait, KaeYoss, nooooooooooooooooooo.........!
Na, we airdrop them, who wants to drive through france with a panzer?!
And yes, for those who saw the ATeam Movie, off course, Bavarians do Dynamite-Fishing in small lakes!
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The name is a bit,... well, .....um, .....I am not sure if "Ultimate Races" is a title I want people to read on my bockshelfYeah, that could pose a problem in Germany ...Nah, not very likely. RPGs are not known well enough and not that controversial in good ol germany.
Btw, yes we got electricity and no, Angela Merkel is Bundeskanzler not "Reichskanzler" :P
And you don't drive your panzers over neighboring countries any more!
*hears some crashing and rumbling sounds in the garden*
What? Wait, KaeYoss, nooooooooooooooooooo.........!
Na, we airdrop them, who wants to drive through france with a panzer?!
And yes, for those who saw the ATeam Movie, off course, Bavarians do Dynamite-Fishing in small lakes!
I actually meant the *other* neighboring country... You know, the one where your stolen car is. And where they actually don't throw up when you offer them Bratwurst with Sauerkraut, as long as you have some vodka with that.
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I actually meant the *other* neighboring country... You know, the one where your stolen car is. And where they actually don't throw up when you offer them Bratwurst with Sauerkraut, as long as you have some vodka with that.The name is a bit,... well, .....um, .....I am not sure if "Ultimate Races" is a title I want people to read on my bockshelfYeah, that could pose a problem in Germany ...Nah, not very likely. RPGs are not known well enough and not that controversial in good ol germany.
Btw, yes we got electricity and no, Angela Merkel is Bundeskanzler not "Reichskanzler" :P
And you don't drive your panzers over neighboring countries any more!
*hears some crashing and rumbling sounds in the garden*
What? Wait, KaeYoss, nooooooooooooooooooo.........!
Na, we airdrop them, who wants to drive through france with a panzer?!
And yes, for those who saw the ATeam Movie, off course, Bavarians do Dynamite-Fishing in small lakes!
Prussia?
Prussia?I actually meant the *other* neighboring country... You know, the one where your stolen car is. And where they actually don't throw up when you offer them Bratwurst with Sauerkraut, as long as you have some vodka with that.The name is a bit,... well, .....um, .....I am not sure if "Ultimate Races" is a title I want people to read on my bockshelfYeah, that could pose a problem in Germany ...Nah, not very likely. RPGs are not known well enough and not that controversial in good ol germany.
Btw, yes we got electricity and no, Angela Merkel is Bundeskanzler not "Reichskanzler" :P
And you don't drive your panzers over neighboring countries any more!
*hears some crashing and rumbling sounds in the garden*
What? Wait, KaeYoss, nooooooooooooooooooo.........!
Na, we airdrop them, who wants to drive through france with a panzer?!
And yes, for those who saw the ATeam Movie, off course, Bavarians do Dynamite-Fishing in small lakes!
Prussia is a neighbor to us Bavarians - sadly, we all are part of the same Germany :P
I Guess he hints @ another country - starting with a P, ending with oland.
I would prefer to drive my Panzer through Austria..
0 hd you say?
Goblins! Please let there be something for these awesome fire worshiping, city raiding, dog-and-horses hating little green guys!
I would certainly hope that it would also have some "savage species" style option. There's a big demand for playing things like minotaurs, lizardmen, bugbears, ogres etc. Give them paragon style classes, whatever, but making them options is not a bad idea. Full on giants, dragons, mind flayers and whatnot were a bad idea, but more manageable races can add a lot to the game.
I certainly hope we would at least see options that would make some of the fodder humanoid races like hobgoblins, orcs and gnolls just as interesting mechanically as elves or dwarves.
Considering how well Paizo has reinvigorated these races with the "revisited" line, I think it's more than reasonable to make them compelling choices to play from a mechanical as well as story perspective.
I have always wanted to play a Nixie(or at least get them as a cohort)
Pixie would be cool as well and even a young dragon(small-medium size)
To me, Ultimate Races implies a different expectation on the content.
How about Uncommon Races (Revisited?) or something similar instead?
To me, Ultimate Races implies a different expectation on the content.
How about Uncommon Races (Revisited?) or something similar instead?
It's my impression it will cover all the core races too, so uncommon isn't the right word.
Not what I was hoping for. High level, low magic, magic items, naval, ruling domains, planar - I can thing of a number of topics I need more than a races book.
The next AP that they anounced (Skull & Bones I think) is going to have naval rules as it is a pirate based AP.
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also james jacobs said "ultimate races" is just a working title and will be changed prior to publication.
Since we just announced this book yesterday night and I haven't talked about it really at all since that point... I'm 99.5% sure I never said "Ultimate Races" is just a working title.
We'll have more information about the book in the weeks and months to come (keep watching our blog!); it's not just going to be a redo of Savage Species though.
Hm. I`d guess that the new Tian races would be included here, since they will be missing Favored Class and other crunch info for the most part (in the Tian Gazetteer). Perhaps even some more 0HD races for regions yet to be detailed, as well as some already covered... It sounds like Lizardmen will also have a presence in Southern Garund, for one. I`m not really into playing `monstrous PCs`, but having unique ways each race `approaches` each Class is a good thing, if only for NPCs.
I like the idea of including Racial HD races that advance by Class Levels... It allows a more `fine tuned` approach than just a flat Level Adjustment... And I`d honestly like to see some races with ALTERNATE Class Level advancement options, i.e. not just one class. `Paragon Levels` might be a good name for it...?
I want to see a Penultimate line. So we know that we can always anticipate that there'll be one better coming in the future. ;-)
That's the problem with branding, once you start using "Ultimate X" it becomes hard to stop.
Although the other option, "Advanced Races Guide" is likely just as offensive to some.
I'll buy the book, the contents sound excellent. What it says on the cover isn't that important.
I really hope that this book would do far more than whats just in the bestiaries as humanoid stuff.
I'm currently working on an RPG for the comic Beasts of Burden, just because I think it would be cool to step out of the shoes of normal rpgs and step into something where you have to figure out things in a waaay different light.
Like we had an adventure where there was a sleeping kobold that our group of "good" adventures robbed blind. I was thinking to myself how awesome it would be to make a party of nothing but monstrous characters and fight off parties of good adventures.
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That's the problem with branding, once you start using "Ultimate X" it becomes hard to stop.
Although the other option, "Advanced Races Guide" is likely just as offensive to some.
So "More about folks" it is then :)
The amusing euro-banter upstream, I'm actually quite eager to see what the actual book that comes out of this announcement contains, regardless of title (working or not).
A good treatment of exotic non-human races is essential, given the mores of the fanbase.
It was probably the countless beers I shared with Ed Greenwood, but I thought Jason said "Ultimate Racist!"
when is Ultimate Spider Man coming?
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Here's a bit more info from what I announced at the PaizoCon Preview Banquet.
The title is Ultimate Races.
Essentially, it has four sections.
The first provides lots of cool character stuff for the seven core races. New rules elements will provide options for players looking to develop their characters in ways that emphasize their race. This might include archetypes that allow an elf character to explore his connection to nature or magic, a dwarf character to carry on the legacy of his multi-generational clan, or a gnome to explore its connection to the First World or delve deep into its weird obsessions. New feats and spells, when appropriate, will add further depth and more exciting options. Each of the core races will receive plenty of pages and a breadth of interesting content.
The second section will provide slightly shorter but nonetheless quite significant treatments of several (meaning more than 10) "spotlight" races that make interesting and exciting player character options. Races like goblins, aasimar, tiefling, dhampyr, drow, the elemental races of Bestiary 2, and several others.
The third section includes shorter (but more than you get in the Core Rulebook) basic information that give you what you need to know (and a bit more) to play characters of EVERY OTHER 0-Hit Die creature in the Bestiary, Bestiary 2, or newly announced Bestiary 3. If you want to play a merman, we'll tell you how to pull it off with style. We'll also have some sweet weird stuff like grippli, duergar, and stryx (from the Inner Sea World Guide).
The fourth section (which I actually forgot to mention at the Preview Banquet) gives a thorough optional system that allows players and GMs to create custom races. Part of this will help you emulate more powerful creatures, but other parts will be about making wholly original creatures that advance as player characters. This will include all kinds of weird stuff, and it will be the focus of an extensive open playtest.
That's the outline as it exists today. We may be able to add in some stuff beyond this, but that's the general sense of what we're shooting for in the book.
The fourth section (which I actually forgot to mention at the Preview Banquet) gives a thorough optional system that allows players and GMs to create custom races. Part of this will help you emulate more powerful creatures, but other parts will be about making wholly original creatures that advance as player characters. This will include all kinds of weird stuff, and it will be the focus of an extensive open playtest.
Yay! More playtesting!
As a grand old fan of the Reverse Dungeon and related monster-themed adventuring, I am really looking forward to this.