Pathfinder Changelings, Eberron Changelings, and alternate names


Lost Omens Campaign Setting General Discussion

Silver Crusade

For those of you using the Eberron Changelings in Golarion, or using Pathfinder Changelings in Eberron, or both in your own homebrew, how are you handling the name confusion? What alternate, evocative names, if any, have you given to the races to further set them apart?

Doppelganger-kin just doesn't roll off the tongue. And haglings just doesn't click, IMO YMMV BYOB.

Grand Lodge

Go with plundering Dune and call them Facedancers.

Dark Archive

Skinwalkers
Skinchangers
Skindancers
the Faceless or Faceless Ones (true form, no face)

derisive names given to them by others;
Skins
Masques
Pretenders
Caulchilder (thought to peel their faces off, like the caul being removed from an infants face)

You could also use one of the various foreign names from mythical changeling children.

Silver Crusade

I'm torn between Facedancers and Skindancers now. :)

The one thing I"d worry about turning to real world names for changelings is that given Paizo's love for mining mythology, I'm going to wind up in the same situation again. ;)

Thanks all.


The old Citybook series by Flying Buffalo/Blade had a changling-style race known as 'Effigies', 'Effies' and 'FEs'.

Dark Archive

Mikaze wrote:
I'm torn between Facedancers and Skindancers now. :)

IMO, 'skindancer' sounds creepy and evocative, and Facedancing sound like something involving rule 34...


What book are Pathfinder Changelings in? Bestiary 2? I couldn't find them in Bestiary 1...

I like Skindancers too, but don't discount the classic Facestealers- since they take on the likeness of somebody else, thus "stealing" it.

Grand Lodge

Lurk3r wrote:

What book are Pathfinder Changelings in? Bestiary 2? I couldn't find them in Bestiary 1...

Dopplegangers exist because they're open content, but Eberron Changelings are closed and not available.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Changelings turn up in detail in the Carrion Crown AP, the first volume IIRC. They were first mentioned and suggested as a player option in the Carrion Crown Player's Guide, available as a free pdf.(no stats there though, they're only found in the AP itself, I think)

Set wrote:

and Facedancing sound like something involving rule 34...

Well hell now it's ruined for me too! ;)


I like "Effigies," actually.

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16

Weren't Skindancers the "tribe" of werewolf kinfolk that gained shapechanging powers of their own by hunting and ritualistically killing other werewolves? It's been a long time since I played World of Darkness.

Dark Archive

Mikaze wrote:
Set wrote:
and Facedancing sound like something involving rule 34...
Well hell now it's ruined for me too! ;)

Ha ha! Set gains another rank in 'Craft: Disturbing Mental Image.'

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

MM3 in D&D3.5 has a skindancer monster already. It has "reactive skin" that gives it DR and energy resistance based on the last attack it suffered. They look like 9 foot tall ape-like lizardmen.


Vigil wrote:
Weren't Skindancers the "tribe" of werewolf kinfolk that gained shapechanging powers of their own by hunting and ritualistically killing other werewolves? It's been a long time since I played World of Darkness.

And that would be yes. But I like the idea.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Morphs (my short hand name, trying to find a better one) are my ‘eberron changling proxy’ race.

Spoiler:
I connect them to dopplegangers, but differently. When two Morphs mate, they produce a doppelganger. A morph and a doppelganger produce a doppelganger, a morph and a humanoid/monstrous humanoid produces a morph (50%) or a member of the non-parent’s race.

Basically, the morphs were a humanoid race whose extinction was fortold by their soothsayers. While some accepted their pending fate and others fled, a small cabal decided if their race was fortold to be doomed, then by changing their race, they should survive.

How they gained their shifting abilities is lost to time, whether it be by an influx of protean matter from the planes, or maybe extracts from the dopplegangers they seem to be related to. No matter the origin, the result is unavoidable. Morphs can take the form of any humanoid being, but they are marked in their natural forms by their strange appearance. They also are forced to operate in, but never truly a part of, humanoid society. As a result of their origin, two morphs cannot conceive a child, instead producing a doppelganger, their ancient foes.

Shadow Lodge

I actually want to change the name of the PF version of Changelings. As far as I can tell, the only connection they have to the name is an abstract one through the mythology.

The Eberron Changelings very clearly had morphic bodies, and that seems to make a bit more sense for the name. Perhaps I'm biased by the Star Trek usage of the name, though. Still, I'd prefer to have Changelings be shapeshifters and the Hag-Children be something else.

If one is looking for an alternate name for an Eberron Changeling:
-Skinchanger
-Shapeshifter
-Morph
-Dopplechild

If one is looking for an alternate name for a PF Changeling:
-Hagspawn
-Called One
-Strangeling
-Soleyes

Also, citation on Eberron not being OGL?

-Edit-
Scratch that. Just checked the copyright info. I never knew Eberron wasn't OGL. Grrrrrr.

Whatever. I'll take Changelings and translate them myself. WotC can suck it on that score.

Contributor

FWIW, Palladium's "Rifts" had a race of shapeshifters called "Changelings" who were a PC race and virtually identical to the Eberron changelings.

That said, I'd prefer to use the word "changeling" in the fey sense, so I'd just look at "doppelganger" which comes from German mythology and go with the English folkloric translation: fetch.

A fetch is the spirit double one sees before one dies, same as the doppelganger. Just use "fetch" for the PC version of a doppelganger. Explain the relationship like the difference between goblins and hobgoblins. Done.

Contributor

Just my two cents, maybe knowing something and maybe not, I would not go with "Skindancers."

Dr. Murphy, has a fine solution - unless you plan to have fetchlings in you game. But they're kind of out in left field thematically, so if you're not crossing the hag stream with the shadow stream, I think you're probably good.

Silver Crusade

F. Wesley Schneider wrote:

Just my two cents, maybe knowing something and maybe not, I would not go with "Skindancers."

...I had just settled on it. Man, that's quick name turnover(possibly or possibly not). ;)

"Mercurials" then?

Dark Archive

Let the dopplekinder use Changeling and change the hagborn?

Hagborn?
Witchlings?
Caulborn?
Twists?

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Set wrote:

Let the dopplekinder use Changeling and change the hagborn?

Hagborn?
Witchlings?
Caulborn?
Twists?

Caulborn exist in Golarion, they are a weird creepy race of blind telepathic humanoids who dwell beneath Kaer Maga.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Set wrote:

Let the dopplekinder use Changeling and change the hagborn?

Hagborn?
Witchlings?
Caulborn?
Twists?

Well I was thinking 'protean' for the dopplekinder, but it's already taken.

morphs, shifters (ha!) face stealers. skulks (are skulks in the ToH? I don't remember) dopplekinder is cool, if unwieldly.


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Just my two cents, maybe knowing something and maybe not, I would not go with "Skindancers."

Awwww, poopie! I imagine something sinister in the new CC AP is named skindancer. I'd already settled on skindancers as a name for my sepiidian-based race. Oh well.

Hmmmm, that dream I had a while back with Schneider and DiCaprio rummaging in my dumpster of a brain might have meant something after all... :)

Edit: Added link


I'd call them both changelings and let it sow confusion. It's quite possible that people might use the same terminology for both in different parts of the world.

Contributor

Mikaze wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:

Just my two cents, maybe knowing something and maybe not, I would not go with "Skindancers."

...I had just settled on it. Man, that's quick name turnover(possibly or possibly not). ;)

"Mercurials" then?

Pffff! Go for it then. By the time we do anything with skinwalkers or skindancers you'll probably be done Carrion Crown already.

Contributor

Ambrosia Slaad wrote:


Hmmmm, that dream I had a while back with Schneider and DiCaprio rummaging in my dumpster of a brain might have meant something after all... :)

@#$%! Spotted! O_o

Silver Crusade

Twist has a certain feel to it I'm really liking now...

F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
Pffff! Go for it then. By the time we do anything with skinwalkers or skindancers you'll probably be done Carrion Crown already.

Oh, so they're not going to be in Carrion Crown....

ARCADIA ADVENTURE PATH CONFIRMED![/jump-to-conclusions-mat]

Shadow Lodge

Changing the Eberron Changelings to Skinchangers is easy enough, and still accurate. Probably what I'll end up doing.

Dark Archive

My idea: Call Eberron Changelings Changelings and call the hag changelings Killcrops; i know that was used in one of the old dragon ecology articles.


Dopplekind brings wunderkind to mind, and the fact that I could see someone being offended by Gratuitous German referring to them thereafter as doublekind. which leads to 'doubles' and then to 'dubs', which now leads to mental images involving Changelings with spinners.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

TheAntiElite wrote:
Dopplekind brings wunderkind to mind, and the fact that I could see someone being offended by Gratuitous German referring to them thereafter as doublekind. which leads to 'doubles' and then to 'dubs', which now leads to mental images involving Changelings with spinners.

Well we could call them Mystiqs...


I think doppelkinder is a great name.

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