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I have a Monk of the Sacred Mountain that I've been working on and I noticed some odd ability interaction that Bastion Stance has with certain feats. Bastion Stance activates 'If a monk starts and ends his turn in the same space'. It says that while the monk is in Bastion stance that he 'cannot be knocked prone or forcibly moved until the start of his next turn'. It doesn't say however that he can't move himself though abilities such as Step Up or Sidestep. Also, since he didn't move during his turn, technically he would still be in bastion stance mode even though he moved.
I'm not sure if this was an oversight or not. Sure, the entire idea behind bastion stance is that the monk becomes rooted to the spot that he's standing on and can't move moved, but it doesn't mention out of turn movement on the monk's behalf at all. I guess you can claim that the monk simply moves quickly and then resumes his bastion stance again?
Allowing this certainly would give the monk more mobility, but it kind of breaks the entire theme of the Bastion Stance in the first place. Has there been any official word on this? Should this be allowed or not? If not, is the monk not allowed out of turn movement at all, or does he simply lose the benefits of bastion stance?
I say playtest it! Yes yes, it certainly seems out of flavor and breaks RAI, but is it overpowered RAW? I say no, because abilities like bastion and even the defenders ability suck if an opponent can just 5' away.
If the ability proves to good in actual play then something should be done, if not then don't worry about it.
Yeh, but if they 5' step away, and you Step Up, then it suddenly does become OP, IMO. I haven't actually seen it in play tho, so my opinion isn't backed up by experience.
That said, maybe that's the intent. By RAW, it's legal. I'd agree with the suggestion to playtest it, and don't forget to let us know how it went!
Yeh, but if they 5' step away, and you Step Up, then it suddenly does become OP, IMO. I haven't actually seen it in play tho, so my opinion isn't backed up by experience.
That said, maybe that's the intent. By RAW, it's legal. I'd agree with the suggestion to playtest it, and don't forget to let us know how it went!
Yea, when it is mixed with abilities that follow the opponent such as Step up and Combat Patrol it does kind of get around the limitations of Bastion Stance. I'm not really sure if it is really overpowered, but it does make the ability way more useful.
I'll have to see if my GM will allow me to test this out. He might just call shenanigans though XD
Here's another way around bastion stance's requirements that I'm pretty sure the designers must have been aware of. Since it only requires that you start and end your turn in the same space you can use spring attack to run up to someone, punch him, and then retreat back to the same spot you were standing in before.
I'm starting to think that the designers meant for these tricks to be allowed so that monks of the sacred mountain weren't always just stuck standing in the same spot durring each fight.
I used spring attack with my Monk of the Sacred Mountain, along with Lunge to reduce the amount of time I spent out of bastion stance.
Unless you're really lucky to start combat at short range (for spring attack) all the time, you're going to have some rounds spent getting to the proper position anyhow. Or find yourself out of position as the enemy 5' adjusts, or need to 5' adjust yourself to grab a flank.