Your first however seems rather closed-minded itself, if you think about it.
There are people in your life who won't change. They won't change their opinions, won't change their habits, won't change the effect they have on your life.
So... why keep them in your life? I know plenty of people who make informed decisions, use logic, don't take dangerous drugs, don't bring risk and unhappiness to me and my loved ones. I choose to keep those people in my life, and avoid the others.
Life's too short to put up with people who make you unhappy or unable to be yourself.
Is *that* closed-minded?
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Your first however seems rather closed-minded itself, if you think about it.There are people in your life who won't change. They won't change their opinions, won't change their habits, won't change the effect they have on your life.
So... why keep them in your life? I know plenty of people who make informed decisions, use logic, don't take dangerous drugs, don't bring risk and unhappiness to me and my loved ones. I choose to keep those people in my life, and avoid the others.
Life's too short to put up with people who make you unhappy or unable to be yourself.
Is *that* closed-minded?
Depends on the person. Some folks their biggest strength, or flaw as others might see it, is to try to fix things.
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I’m coming late to this - so sorry if someone already brought it up.
I think that if you don't have kids of your own - you may be a little insensitive to mature themes in games. A while back I gave a copy of God of War (PS 2 video game) to my friend's son who is 15. My friend was okay with it, but he told me he was a little blind-sided when he sat down with his son and watched him play and rightly busted my chops. He won't be asking my opinion anytime soon on content I've viewed if it is age appropriate for his kids. (God of War can be…err…quite bloody.) He feels his kid has already been exposed to quite a bit gore as a horror movie fan – even if he is not 17.
I just really didn’t give it any thought until this incident. And now that I became a Godfather to my brother's son – I think about appropriate content – never did before. <shrugs>
Funny, I'm just the opposite. I often over censor content for my friends kids.
And my goddaughter's favourite things when she was 2 were Elmo and Godzilla. :-)
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I play some Paizo adventures with my son and I have a daughter who likes to dress up as a knight, pick up a bright purple nerf bold shooting crossbow, and go hunting imaginary monsters. (She's 4 but she'll be playing soon.)Haha, my daughter will be four this month. She has a foam sword and for a while when I'd have a weekly raid in WoW, she'd tell me that she would "help me fight that scary monster" on the screen and would swing the sword wildly in the air.
(She also absolutely loves saying "Hi" to everyone in the voice chat, who all respond with their greetings. Or, if we're not using voice chat, I'll tell everyone she said "Hi," and she loves to see her name on the screen as people respond in chat.)
Love it.
Nerd girls are great.
I have to be careful though that her lack of the 'princess-gene' doesn't upset her mother. Her mother keeps buying her Barbie dolls and my little nerd keeps feeding them to her dinosaurs.
Can't you compromise?
Couldn't she put her princess dolls into a story where they fight monsters?
My daughter loved it when I told her stories about warrior princesses.
My Barbies had their own detective agency. *shrugs*
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I know plenty of people who make informed decisions, use logic, don't take dangerous drugs, don't bring risk and unhappiness to me and my loved ones. I choose to keep those people in my life, and avoid the others.
Life's too short to put up with people who make you unhappy or unable to be yourself.
Is *that* closed-minded?
I can understand why the OP has people in his life who have views that he does not want to risk offending.
Also, sometimes the folks that don't make informed decisions, don't use logic, do take dangerous drugs, and have the potential to bring risk and unhappiness are your loved ones and family.
It's not a situation that can be covered with a blanket statement, even if its a big and snuggly blanket.
I know plenty of people who make informed decisions, use logic, don't take dangerous drugs, don't bring risk and unhappiness to me and my loved ones. I choose to keep those people in my life, and avoid the others.
Life's too short to put up with people who make you unhappy or unable to be yourself.
Is *that* closed-minded?
I can understand why the OP has people in his life who have views that he does not want to risk offending.
Also, sometimes the folks that don't make informed decisions, don't use logic, do take dangerous drugs, and have the potential to bring risk and unhappiness are your loved ones and family.
It's not a situation that can be covered with a blanket statement, even if its a big and snuggly blanket.
It also assumes that people can be put into nice boxes. In many cases, someone will be closed-minded on one issue (RPGs/VG are bad) and be open-minded on other issues. Do you "toss the baby out with the dishwater" in those cases? I guess it depends on how big of a part that one issue is of your life. If you work in the RPG industry, then it certainly would make sense to not keep people around you that look down on it.
Your first however seems rather closed-minded itself, if you think about it.There are people in your life who won't change. They won't change their opinions, won't change their habits, won't change the effect they have on your life.
So... why keep them in your life? I know plenty of people who make informed decisions, use logic, don't take dangerous drugs, don't bring risk and unhappiness to me and my loved ones. I choose to keep those people in my life, and avoid the others.
Life's too short to put up with people who make you unhappy or unable to be yourself.
Is *that* closed-minded?
Of course not. That's good sense and taking care of your family, but not liking RPGs is not the same as taking drugs or other risky behavior.
I think it is not that easy. If you are part of a religious community, this probably means quite much to you (and perhaps your family). Now, most religions have firm world views, especially regarding sexuality and/or violence, and won´t even consider different views, much less accept them. If you as part of said community have a different stance on these topics, you can either quit being part of the community or keep that stance to yourself. Depending just how much religion means to you, quitting might just not be an option. Furthermore, you have to decide if that stance is worth being ostracised. It is a conflict not easily solved.
I can understand TSR putting that Code of Conduct into effect in first place - they had no interest in alienating potential customers (or those who had power over said customers), especially under the light of the accusations against gaming rampant at that time. It was a business decision first and foremost - if you want to get into the mass market, make sure your products are fitting into that market.
Stefan
In many cases, someone will be closed-minded on one issue (RPGs/VG are bad) and be open-minded on other issues. Do you "toss the baby out with the dishwater" in those cases?
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Two - As Cain kind of referenced on Planescape when you stop and think of some the material they created, it's actually pretty amazing. I kind of liken this to watching old B&W movies in the 30's and 40's (which had to work under their own moral code - the Hayes Code) compared to movies today. There was a lot interesting ways that they implied or hinted at some things without being overt or in-violation.
So true! Any media has its own natural constraints, but sometimes it seems like added social/moral constraints force artists to be even more creative. Some movies today have absolutely gratuitous gore/sex/violence just because "it sells tickets," even when those elements have nothing to do with the plot.
But I'm the sort of person who likes the "creepy, implied horror" of Turn of the Screw more than the "look, he has a chainsaw!" kind. I'm more of an del Toro fan than a Tarantino fan.
edit: Not that I don't like Almodovar too, but he shouldn't be confused with del Toro!
That's a good question. ;)
Damn that looks interesting! :)
It's listed with a release date of November 1, 2008, but it look slike it's not yet available. Or is it?
It's listed with a release date of November 1, 2008, but it look slike it's not yet available. Or is it?
It's not ready yet. My layoff from Upper Deck, my sister's wedding, and my move to Paizo tok a big bite out of my personal schedule. But perhaps I will have an update in the next couple of months....
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Any media has its own natural constraints, but sometimes it seems like added social/moral constraints force artists to be even more creative.
With art or creative writing or music, it's incredibly good 'exercise,' in my experience, to draw within the lines, or follow the rules, even doing something as simple as trying to make poetry while following restrictive rules of meter and verse (or just haiku, or whatever).
After you get good at playing within the lines, *then* it becomes fun to break out of those rules and experiment with free verse or whatever.
Again, IMO, too many creative writing courses encourage that sort of freedom *before* teaching any sort of disciplined approach, and pump out writers who are the equivalent of art students who sole education in art is throwing buckets of paint at walls, and who never learned anatomy or perspective or lighting.
Without learning to drive on the road, an artist is ill-prepared to go off-roading, and, in some cases, learning to function within what feels like stifling constraints, only strengthens ones creativity and ability to convey a message or mood, despite limitations of medium.
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Any media has its own natural constraints, but sometimes it seems like added social/moral constraints force artists to be even more creative.With art or creative writing or music, it's incredibly good 'exercise,' in my experience, to draw within the lines, or follow the rules, even doing something as simple as trying to make poetry while following restrictive rules of meter and verse (or just haiku, or whatever).
After you get good at playing within the lines, *then* it becomes fun to break out of those rules and experiment with free verse or whatever.
Again, IMO, too many creative writing courses encourage that sort of freedom *before* teaching any sort of disciplined approach, and pump out writers who are the equivalent of art students who sole education in art is throwing buckets of paint at walls, and who never learned anatomy or perspective or lighting.
Without learning to drive on the road, an artist is ill-prepared to go off-roading, and, in some cases, learning to function within what feels like stifling constraints, only strengthens ones creativity and ability to convey a message or mood, despite limitations of medium.
QFT. If you can't write a decent sonnet, your free verse probably sucks.
My dad took me to see A Clockwork Orange when I was six, and I turned out okay.
Yeesh, I didn't watch (or read) A Clockwork Orange until I was in college, and I still fear that it scarred me for life. ;)
My Barbies had their own detective agency. *shrugs*
Love it.Nerd girls are great.
I have to be careful though that her lack of the 'princess-gene' doesn't upset her mother. Her mother keeps buying her Barbie dolls and my little nerd keeps feeding them to her dinosaurs.
Can't you compromise?
Couldn't she put her princess dolls into a story where they fight monsters?
My daughter loved it when I told her stories about warrior princesses.
My Barbies always got decapitated and shaved because I wanted to make marbles out of their heads, which didn't work very well, but I wasn't allowed real marbles, so I had to improvise.
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My Barbies always got decapitated and shaved because I wanted to make marbles out of their heads, which didn't work very well, but I wasn't allowed real marbles, so I had to improvise.
*Note to self: Buy the girl some marbles before she starts displaying 'serial killer' warning signs.*
My Barbies always got decapitated and shaved because I wanted to make marbles out of their heads, which didn't work very well, but I wasn't allowed real marbles, so I had to improvise.*Note to self: Buy the girl some marbles before she starts displaying 'serial killer' warning signs.*
Hey, I haven't killed anybody yet. ;) Haven't even tortured any animals. I really did just want to play marbles, and collected pretty much every vaguely round object I could find to press into service. :)
To bring this back to something vaguely related to D&D, my characters, on the other hand, do tend toward the bloodthirsty from time to time.
And to comment on the original topic of the thread, censorship is one of my hot-buttons, but I don't see TSR's Code of Conduct as censorship in the least. Tailoring one's product to the audience one wishes to attract is simply sensible business. It's no worse for TSR to choose a less 'mature' or 'controversial' tone for their gaming materials than it is for Paizo to choose to cater to a more adult audience, IMO.
And to comment on the original topic of the thread, censorship is one of my hot-buttons, but I don't see TSR's Code of Conduct as censorship in the least. Tailoring one's product to the audience one wishes to attract is simply sensible business. It's no worse for TSR to choose a less 'mature' or 'controversial' tone for their gaming materials than it is for Paizo to choose to cater to a more adult audience, IMO.
Yes! Very well put!
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It could be worse, he could have used the dishwasher.Ummm....why are you washing the baby with the dishes? That's pretty gross, and can't be good for the child...Do you "toss the baby out with the dishwater" in those cases?
Wait...I thought that was okay as long as you didn't put dishes in with them.
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Gah! You have a knack for making me laugh way too hard at work...It could be worse, he could have used the dishwasher.Ummm....why are you washing the baby with the dishes? That's pretty gross, and can't be good for the child...Do you "toss the baby out with the dishwater" in those cases?
Do I win something? Anything?
:-)
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Wait...I thought that was okay as long as you didn't put dishes in with them.It could be worse, he could have used the dishwasher.Ummm....why are you washing the baby with the dishes? That's pretty gross, and can't be good for the child...Do you "toss the baby out with the dishwater" in those cases?
No, just forks and knives and most likely cheese graters.
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Wait...I thought that was okay as long as you didn't put dishes in with them.It could be worse, he could have used the dishwasher.Ummm....why are you washing the baby with the dishes? That's pretty gross, and can't be good for the child...Do you "toss the baby out with the dishwater" in those cases?
I just know that you shouldn't put silver and stainless steel in the dishwasher at the same time. As far as I know, there aren't any restrictions beyond that.
I just know that you shouldn't put silver and stainless steel in the dishwasher at the same time.
I did not know that. So that's where all these spare Mogwai are coming from! Next time, I'll just put in the silver with Gizmo instead of both the silver and the stainless steel.
It could be worse, he could have used the dishwasher.Ummm....why are you washing the baby with the dishes? That's pretty gross, and can't be good for the child...Do you "toss the baby out with the dishwater" in those cases?
Actually I was talking about using one of these. Why do one chore when you can do 2 (or more) at the same time?
P.S. Sorry to say, that I don't actually own any part of this product, so this can't be used as a shameless self promotion.
Yeesh, I didn't watch (or read) A Clockwork Orange until I was in college, and I still fear that it scarred me for life. ;)My dad took me to see A Clockwork Orange when I was six, and I turned out okay.
Well, if Heathansson said he turned out okay, that could explain a lot :-)
Stefan
It could be worse, he could have used the dishwasher.Washing machine sounds more fun. 'Wheeeeeee!'
Dryer? Not so much. 'Klunk, klunk, klunk.'
I used to put my kids on the dryer when they had collics as babies.
Noticed I said ON the dryer, not IN the dryer...
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And to comment on the original topic of the thread, censorship is one of my hot-buttons, but I don't see TSR's Code of Conduct as censorship in the least. Tailoring one's product to the audience one wishes to attract is simply sensible business. It's no worse for TSR to choose a less 'mature' or 'controversial' tone for their gaming materials than it is for Paizo to choose to cater to a more adult audience, IMO.
The censorship charge was levelled against TSR because the company required all exhibitors at GenCon to adhere to the same Code of Conduct, but at the time would not release its contents.
So companies were being turned down from displaying / selling / demoing at GenCon, but weren't being given hard-and-clear reasons why.
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It could be worse, he could have used the dishwasher.Washing machine sounds more fun. 'Wheeeeeee!'
Dryer? Not so much. 'Klunk, klunk, klunk.'
I used to put my kids on the dryer when they had collics as babies.
Noticed I said ON the dryer, not IN the dryer...
We used to turn the vaccuum on. Then we got a CD with an hour or so of vaccuum sounds tht we could put on repeat...
And to comment on the original topic of the thread, censorship is one of my hot-buttons, but I don't see TSR's Code of Conduct as censorship in the least. Tailoring one's product to the audience one wishes to attract is simply sensible business. It's no worse for TSR to choose a less 'mature' or 'controversial' tone for their gaming materials than it is for Paizo to choose to cater to a more adult audience, IMO.
The censorship charge was levelled against TSR because the company required all exhibitors at GenCon to adhere to the same Code of Conduct, but at the time would not release its contents.
So companies were being turned down from displaying / selling / demoing at GenCon, but weren't being given hard-and-clear reasons why.
I don't know enough about that particular situation to judge whether or not I'd consider it censorship, though it strikes me as a really frackin' stupid way to do business. A company that wants a product that adheres to particular standards would serve its own interests best by making it clear to its suppliers what those standards are. We do not, after all, live in a telepathic society where people can be expected to read minds and discern unspoken rules.
I don't know enough about that particular situation to judge whether or not I'd consider it censorship, though it strikes me as a really frackin' stupid way to do business. A company that wants a product that adheres to particular standards would serve its own interests best by making it clear to its suppliers what those standards are. We do not, after all, live in a telepathic society where people can be expected to read minds and discern unspoken rules.And to comment on the original topic of the thread, censorship is one of my hot-buttons, but I don't see TSR's Code of Conduct as censorship in the least. Tailoring one's product to the audience one wishes to attract is simply sensible business. It's no worse for TSR to choose a less 'mature' or 'controversial' tone for their gaming materials than it is for Paizo to choose to cater to a more adult audience, IMO.
The censorship charge was levelled against TSR because the company required all exhibitors at GenCon to adhere to the same Code of Conduct, but at the time would not release its contents.
So companies were being turned down from displaying / selling / demoing at GenCon, but weren't being given hard-and-clear reasons why.
I´d guess it was a rather hare-brained attempt to get the competition out of GenCon, so as to leave the sales directly to TSR only. It has a hint of old socialistic country style rulings - "You are arrested!" "Why?" "Because you broke rule #2867." "What says that rule?" "To tell you that would be treason".
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Naw, each individual decision made sense, taken independently. TSR had an internal code of ethics. One of the Blume brothers didn't want to publish it, because he didn't want TSR to be seen as the 800-pound gorilla disctating terms to the rest of the industry, any more than it already was. And somebody else did want to apply the terms to Gen-Con, because TSR ran Gen-Con and wanted to keep it, well, kind of kid-friendly.
Pieced together, it didn't make a lot of sense.