Get Weird With It

[Dr. Aspects]

So I like the concept of the Slayer. I think it has nice flavor, obviously the tools could use some reworking to bring them all roughly in line with each other, mark quarry probably shouldn't be 10 minutes, etc. etc.

Possibly an unpopular opinion I'm about to share, but... I think Paizo should just get wild with this.

Trophies should be more like the chymists eye. Where you get to steal a specific ability or trait from a monster depending on which tool you picked. Maybe that could justify the 10 minute timer on it. Maybe make it a feat tree where you can unlock more types of trophies as you go on.

I think the trophy system is inspiring and I think it needs some cooking. Let me use the head of a Medusa to turn people to stone, let me take the eye of a cyclops to get their Flash of Insight, stuff like that.

C'mon Paizo. Make this weird.

[Sagiam]

Strongly agree.

[OceanshieldwolPF 2.5]

Pronate11 already posited something similar in their “Trophies need to do more” thread:

Pronate11 wrote:

The easiest way to make the trophies more thematically interesting is to make new feats with a new "Trophy" (or some other name) tag. Whenever you get a new trophy, you can instantly swap out a feat with the tag for a new feat with the tag. This way, when you slay a dragon, you can take its throat sack and use its breath weapon, but when you replace it with a gorgons eye, you get a slow effect. All of these feats would be appropriately balanced around their level, with most having no or very broad requirements (deals energy damage, has an immunity) with only a few having a specific requirement (can slow, can cast spells).

[Justnobodyfqwl]

I think this is wonderful feedback! I do agree that a lot of the time, Paizo is very cautious when it comes to the "big cool signature ability" of your class. And the Slayer really wants to be the "monster hunter who becomes monster-like" as part of the core class fantasy. The ability to use trophies to copy signature bespoke Monster Abilities would be delightful.

[YuriP]

Dr. Aspects wrote:

So I like the concept of the Slayer. I think it has nice flavor, obviously the tools could use some reworking to bring them all roughly in line with each other, mark quarry probably shouldn't be 10 minutes, etc. etc.

Possibly an unpopular opinion I'm about to share, but... I think Paizo should just get wild with this.

Trophies should be more like the chymists eye. Where you get to steal a specific ability or trait from a monster depending on which tool you picked. Maybe that could justify the 10 minute timer on it. Maybe make it a feat tree where you can unlock more types of trophies as you go on.

I think the trophy system is inspiring and I think it needs some cooking. Let me use the head of a Medusa to turn people to stone, let me take the eye of a cyclops to get their Flash of Insight, stuff like that.

C'mon Paizo. Make this weird.

Although I agree with the proposal, I still think the 10-minute Quarry restriction needs to be removed, and it needs to work with any humanoid creature. However, creature parts could be restricted to creatures that don't use or carry items, making only this type of creature valid for trophies, but the combat abilities universally functional.

[Dr. Aspects]

YuriP wrote:

Dr. Aspects wrote:

So I like the concept of the Slayer. I think it has nice flavor, obviously the tools could use some reworking to bring them all roughly in line with each other, mark quarry probably shouldn't be 10 minutes, etc. etc.

Possibly an unpopular opinion I'm about to share, but... I think Paizo should just get wild with this.

Trophies should be more like the chymists eye. Where you get to steal a specific ability or trait from a monster depending on which tool you picked. Maybe that could justify the 10 minute timer on it. Maybe make it a feat tree where you can unlock more types of trophies as you go on.

I think the trophy system is inspiring and I think it needs some cooking. Let me use the head of a Medusa to turn people to stone, let me take the eye of a cyclops to get their Flash of Insight, stuff like that.

C'mon Paizo. Make this weird.

Although I agree with the proposal, I still think the 10-minute Quarry restriction needs to be removed, and it needs to work with any humanoid creature. However, creature parts could be restricted to creatures that don't use or carry items, making only this type of creature valid for trophies, but the combat abilities universally functional.

To be clear, I do agree with you! I don't think quarry should be 10 minutes and I do think that monster lore should be allowed with humanoids - you can already Mark Quarry on any creature as far as I can tell regardless of type.