Where do devils go when they die?


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Alright...beyond the obvious "Hell", what I'm actually looking for is what happens to a devil (or any outsider) when they are killed on the material plane in Golarion.

Are they permanent killed? Do they return to Hell? How long does it take to reform or are they forced to be demoted to a Lemur? Or is there no official ruling and can therefore be made up?

Also curious to know for demons, archons and so forth...but for the moment I need to know about devils for my campaign.


I'm hardly the expert on outsiders but I thought that summoned outsiders just vanish when killed and appear back on their home plane without dying. Non-summoned outsiders however, do die I think. I have no idea what that means for demons and archons but for devils I thought they were remade as lowest of the low and had to climb up again through the ranks of devilhood...

Shadow Lodge

As far as official Pathfinder, I am not sure, exactly. Typically, the idea is that (because Outsider's souls and body are one, and Outsiders are physically made up of a plane such as Hell), that when killed, they merge back with the plane that thay are part of. They are recreated, as a different individual at some point, typically either based on the will of the ruling deity of the plane, or maybe powerful outsiders based on their work before dying. A demon that worked their way up to Balor would probably come back as a powerful demon unless they made some one very angry, because they have showed they are worthy of that power.

I am not sure if PF has changed this any, and I am also not sure about how long it takes. I always assumned it happened pretty fast, a day or two after death, but it is not the same demon, (or whatever).

Now, if you are talking about a Summoned Demon, that is different. Summoned creatures do not die, (a few do but the spells will say this). When a Summoned creature reachs the point it would die, it vanishes, returning to the location it was called from, with full HP and not having used it's resources.


They don't go to Heaven where the angels fly ...

FWIW,

Rez


Summoned creatures simply return to their realm... creatures that are called die when killed... that's spelled out in the description of call type spells. However outsiders can't be raised by normal means (resurrection)... they require a miracle, true resurrection, and the like normally to get them back up.

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Rezdave wrote:
They don't go to Heaven where the angels fly ...

I dunno about that. If a "good" person who does bad things in life goes to Hell when they die, why wouldn't a devil go to Haven for eternal torment for their life of evil deeds? What constitutes torture is relative based on what one enjoys in the first place.


I figure that creatures that are summoned send their dream-selves to the material planes, and when reduced to 0 hit points, they wake up on their home plane.

One book I read (Bring Me The Head of Prince Charming) says that any who conjur others may be conjured themselves, thus witches can summon demons and demons can summon witches.

This leads to an idea that PCs who cast summoning spells might have dreams about battles on other planes. Hmmmm.

Grand Lodge

I guess they
Go to the Lake of Fire and fry

I'm just not sure why we'll see 'em again on the fourth of July. We'll just have to wait and ask Kobain when we get there.

PS: Yoda8myhead, shame on you for not getting the lyric!


Utgardloki wrote:

I figure that creatures that are summoned send their dream-selves to the material planes, and when reduced to 0 hit points, they wake up on their home plane.

One book I read (Bring Me The Head of Prince Charming) says that any who conjur others may be conjured themselves, thus witches can summon demons and demons can summon witches.

This leads to an idea that PCs who cast summoning spells might have dreams about battles on other planes. Hmmmm.

Why did I suddenly think of Aahz and Skeeve's meeting from the beginning of the Myth books . . .

Grand Lodge

But that's not conjuring

That's forced Dimensional travelling

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W E Ray wrote:
Yoda8myhead, shame on you for not getting the lyric!

I got it. I just felt that the Meat Puppets speak for themselves and needed no further contribution from me.

Grand Lodge

Oh, Yoda8myhead, I've been meaning to say thanks for all the stuff on Pathfinder.wikia -- I just went over there for the first time a couple days ago and I've been using it alot.

So, uh, thanks.

Happy Holiday!

Dark Archive

In the most recent adventure path there is a devil that gets killed and is described as:

pathfinder adventure path # 28, page 53 wrote:

after which [spoiler removed]'s soul moves on to

Hell and must begin anew as a mass of mindless lemures;
this effectively ends [spoiler removed] for good, preventing him not
only from returning to [spoiler removed], but from
ever returning to power in Hell itself.

I would imagine that under pathfinder that this is typical for other demons as well, but don't recall seeing anything that specifically spells this out.

Contributor

I'll chip in sometime tommorow, but I'm currently using one bar of signal hijacked from my relatives' neighbors' wifi and it's prone to dropping. My answer won't be "official" mind you, but just how I'd handle the issue in a Golarion-based game.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

From the Infernal Syndrome:

Spoiler:
"after which Liebdaga’s soul moves on to Hell and must begin anew as a mass of mindless lemures— this effectively ends Liebdaga for good, preventing him not only from returning to Westcrown to seek revenge, but from ever returning to power in Hell itself.

So it appears Hell uses the 'reduce, reuse, recycle' meme.

The Exchange

Bookmarking for Todd's responce on the morrow.

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