Heck, I have a Werewolves Vs Psychics setting in my head that could easily become a genepunk campaign with overt Moreaus, though I hadn't prteviously thought of using it on this project.
I think that's the first time I've heard the term 'genepunk' coined. Color me interested, Owen.
I think that's the first time I've heard the term 'genepunk' coined. Color me interested, Owen.
+1
Any more details you're willing to share?
Peace,
tfad
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I think that's the first time I've heard the term 'genepunk' coined. Color me interested, Owen.Any more details you're willing to share?
Ah, sure, keeping in mind I don't have time to dig up my slightly more extensive notes.
When I say genepunk, I am envisioning a world where cybernetics remain expensive and less-than-perfect, and thus do not hit the level of ubiquity needed for a cyberpunk setting. But through a series of massive biology-based technical breakthroughs, genetic engineering becomes something that can be done with an injection, using retro-viruses to rewrite your DNA. Of course, done properly, that's still expensive, as the "rewire" is designed for your exact DNA sequence. But there are illegally and semi-legally massed produced versions that work mostly right, for most people, most of the time, which are no more expensive than a drug habit. Thus "gene-."
Add a society where privacy requires you to hop off the grid, and thus leaves you unable to make an honest living, population explosions and shrinking resources prevent law enforcement from being able to control inner cities and huge failed archologies and an illegal version of rewire that changes your DNA, eye retina and fingerprints (making it nearly impossible to prove you are the past version of you, allowing career criminals to avoid prosecution as long as they pay for more rewires), and you have a culture clash between those who are seeking totalitarian methods to maintain the status quo, and those willing to tear it all down to maintain human independence at any cost. Thus "-punk."
For the setting I have in mind, two common, and mutually exclusive, lines of rewire are psychics and therianthropes – mind powers and hidden animalistic traits. Psis tend to work for big corporations and the law, wolves tend to work for themselves, earth-firsters, and mobs. But illegal rewires are always more common, and sometimes go wrong (cross-wired), especially over time or when you have to recover from major stress (like damage). Theriathropes are more vulnerable to cross-wiring than psis, and there are even chemical catalysts that boost the chance it'll happen (often loaded into hollowpoint "silver bullets" though silver isn't actually one of the catalysts).
And of course there are boosters, which help keep cross-wiring from happening. But since cross-wires are usually using illegal rewires, they can't get the boosters from legit doctors... so they tend to have to get them from big, illegal groups.
That's the nickel-tour version, anyway. Which currently has nothing to do with the P20 Modern project, though I suppose we might do SOMETHING with it. But this is just to outline the basic idea, since you guys seemed interested.
Owen, it may have nothing to do with the P20 Modern project, but it's exactly what I'm envisioning that 3PPers can do once there's a base frame work system to build from where anyone can create their own campaign / world / genre off of with some additional tweaks. Again, color me interested. :D
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I know several people who would like to see a good D20 modern system out. However, to get my money, either there needs to be some rules to ditch the base/advanced/prestige class system the old version is based on, or at least an option to skip the need for base classes. Someone ran an urban arcana style game where I (tried) to play a psychic. Having first level abilities when everyone else has 5th level abilities (due to being forced to have 4 levels in a class which added NOTHING to the character concept) was not what I call fun.
If I had been able to start my character concept at level one, I might not have felt so completely useless. I haven't played D20 modern since that one game, and whenever anyone brings up running one again, I always vote no.
The ability to play any valid modern concept; be that psychic, vampire hunting cheerleader, doctor, professor, cop, bounty hunter, newpaper delivery boy slash cub reporter' at 1st level is a core part of our design goals. We can't say for sure exactly how we're going to do that (since there are lots of options), but we feel confident it is possible, while retaining a high degree of backwards compatibility.
First level character will never be as good at those jobs as 6th level characters, but the young, untrained, potentailly frightened psychic is a good, valid modern character concept.
When I say genepunk, I am envisioning....
Awesome, thanks for sharing.
I'm not so sold on the two divisions (psychics and animal-dudes), but the rest of that is 110% awesome! I guess I'd like to add more of an emphasis on the class-war aspect for my own games with genepunk, perhaps a little more Mega City One/Judge Dredd?
But I really enjoyed reading that - thanks again.
Peace,
tfad
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Yet, if there is no difference, why do so many soldiers serving in the Middle East replace the 9mm with the .45 first chance they get?
Blithe answer: for the same reason the gladius stopped being commonly used in medieval Europe, but is still written up as just another short sword.
More seriously, I am a fan of long, detailed gun lists, the Punisher Armory, and encyclopedias of firearms, and will at least be looking at that question.
Yet, if there is no difference, why do so many soldiers serving in the Middle East replace the 9mm with the .45 first chance they get?Blithe answer: for the same reason the gladius stopped being commonly used in medieval Europe, but is still written up as just another short sword.
More seriously, I am a fan of long, detailed gun lists, the Punisher Armory, and encyclopedias of firearms, and will at least be looking at that question.
I liked the d20 modern weapons locker, though I admit, i also liked that the differences between each gun was relatively small. I think if you go overboard trying to be 'realistic' about the differences between the weapons things get too complicated.
I jut remember the first book of arms that came out for D20 modern had no difference except how many rounds you could put in the weapon. But then, firearms is a concept most games tend to bugger. White Wolf had the same bullet doing 50% more damage by taking it out of a pistol and putting into a submachine gun.
The weapons locker supplement was much better then that. Most of the guns were in line power wise with what was in the core rules, but they had small differences. I prefer that myself to any attempt to make them really stand out from eachother. Because i think in the end it doesnt make that big a difference in actual combat whether you have a barretta or a glock.
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I'd drop up to $50 on a Pathfinder Modern. I wouldn't even think about it. I'd be willing to purchase supplements, but I wouldn't like to spend much more than $20 on a paperback.
To be honest, I really DON'T want to see the old stuff remade with pathfinder rules (Except for the core rules). I'd like new stuff. I'd really really like a Superhero book (for which I'd pay another $50), and a Horror one as well. I'm sure you could think of other cool stuff as well.
Oh, and maybe a campaign setting for all those Future races; I remember that they were in the SRD.
This is the first time I've stumbled on this thread. I'd patronize for $50.
This is the first time I've stumbled on this thread. I'd patronize for $50.
Welcome! I hope this one gets off the ground!
tfad
man.. checking for updates every day. Please, please, post the announcement and take my money. take my money right now dangit! :P
No, take MY money!!
man.. checking for updates every day. Please, please, post the announcement and take my money. take my money right now dangit! :PNo, take MY money!!
I am glad there are others as excited as I am about this.
man.. checking for updates every day. Please, please, post the announcement and take my money. take my money right now dangit! :P
+1.
man.. checking for updates every day. Please, please, post the announcement and take my money. take my money right now dangit! :PYou are so just echoing me from about two weeks ago:
I'm so excited for this project that my pledge will look something like this:
Take my money! TAKE IT! TAKE IT!!!
If they arent careful the super geniouses may find people throwing bricks through their windows with $50 taped to them.
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If they arent careful the super geniouses may find people throwing bricks through their windows with $50 taped to them.man.. checking for updates every day. Please, please, post the announcement and take my money. take my money right now dangit! :PYou are so just echoing me from about two weeks ago:
I'm so excited for this project that my pledge will look something like this:
Take my money! TAKE IT! TAKE IT!!!
Just make sure you put your name and email on the brick too, so we can properly credit you.
Oh, and as long as you come by, give us a knock. We might have a slot open at a game running that night. :D
In all seriousness, we hear you. You want this to go forward. so do we. Believe me, we want to take your money at least as badly as you want to give it to us. (I'd claim that didn't come out right, but honestly I think it did.)
This is going to be a patron project of massive scope, and we're really excited you all are excited. But we absolutely, positively, have to dot every 'i' and cross every 't' before we start the next, big, step. Once we set up the patron page, it's out of our hands and up to the fans to decide if enough of you want this badly enough to meet our funding goal. Before we hit that moment we need to A: Take every step to maximize the chances are the answer to that question is 'yes.' B: Make sure if the answert is yes, we can follow through on our commitment. We need the budget, shipping, scheduling, planning, and all the other little details worked out in advance so once the project is funded, nothing delays a prompt roll-out.
So I promise, we ARE working on it. We'd just rather deal with any delays now, before anyone's money is tied up.
Just make sure you put your name and email on the brick too, so we can properly credit you.
Oh, and as long as you come by, give us a knock. We might have a slot open at a game running that night. :D
In all seriousness, we hear you. You want this to go forward. so do we. Believe me, we want to take your money at least as badly as you want to give it to us. (I'd claim that didn't come out right, but honestly I think it did.)
This is going to be a patron project of massive scope, and we're really excited you all are excited. But we absolutely, positively, have to dot every 'i' and cross every 't' before we start the next, big, step. Once we set up the patron page, it's out of our hands and up to the fans to decide if enough of you want this badly enough to meet our funding goal. Before we hit that moment we need to A: Take every step to maximize the chances are the answer to that question is 'yes.' B: Make sure if the answert is yes, we can follow through on our commitment. We need the budget, shipping, scheduling, planning, and all the other little details worked out in advance so once the project is funded, nothing delays a prompt roll-out.
So I promise, we ARE working on it. We'd just rather deal with any delays now, before anyone's money is tied up.
Oh I'm not complaining, I am glad you guys are doing the proper leg work first, but I am excited about the project, and I am excited that others are excited about the project.
I have a whole campaign world I want to create if this goes well, and I am like kicking myself in order to keep from doing it ahead of time, but it is adding to the 'omg!!1 I want this' factor.
Owen, planning on making some flash banner ads so people can throw them on websites to get the message across for those who may wander in different circles? If you guys don't have anyone in pocket to do so, let some of us know and we'd likely be glad to pitch in a hand or two.
In all seriousness, we hear you. You want this to go forward. so do we. Believe me, we want to take your money at least as badly as you want to give it to us. (I'd claim that didn't come out right, but honestly I think it did.)
This is going to be a patron project of massive scope, and we're really excited you all are excited. But we absolutely, positively, have to dot every 'i' and cross every 't' before we start the next, big, step. Once we set up the patron page, it's out of our hands and up to the fans to decide if enough of you want this badly enough to meet our funding goal. Before we hit that moment we need to A: Take every step to maximize the chances are the answer to that question is 'yes.' B: Make sure if the answert is yes, we can follow through on our commitment. We need the budget, shipping, scheduling, planning, and all the other little details worked out in advance so once the project is funded, nothing delays a prompt roll-out.
So I promise, we ARE working on it. We'd just rather deal with any delays now, before anyone's money is tied up.
Owen, I'm curious - will there be any kind of "pre-announcement" that this is going to take place, rather than just the "OK, it's up, sign up today!" ??
I'd really like to get in at the $250 level, regardless of whether or not I'm one of the "first six" you were mentioning (though, that would be pretty fantastic).
That said (and I fully realize that I have only myself to blame for my spending habits), holding onto $250 without a defined "go-live" date isn't the easiest, as I don't want to pass up deals on other stuff I'm trying to collect. I'd hate to drop money on another awesome deal, only to discover that tomorrow the funding element of the project is active.
It would be kind of cool to see a "Alrighty, guys, save your pennies, because we're going to activate the funding phase on Blahday the Blahteenth at Blah-thirty AM!" kind of announcement, allowing us all a few days at least to turn in cans and bottles or hold a bake sale...
If not, hey, it's all good, and like I said - I'm the one who is to blame for not putting that $250 away today.
Just figured I'd ask! Keep up the awesome work!
Owen, I'm curious - will there be any kind of "pre-announcement" that this is going to take place, rather than just the "OK, it's up, sign up today!" ??
I'd really like to get in at the $250 level, regardless of whether or not I'm one of the "first six" you were mentioning (though, that would be pretty fantastic).
That said (and I fully realize that I have only myself to blame for my spending habits), holding onto $250 without a defined "go-live" date isn't the easiest, as I don't want to pass up deals on other stuff I'm trying to collect. I'd hate to drop money on another awesome deal, only to discover that tomorrow the funding element of the project is active.
It would be kind of cool to see a "Alrighty, guys, save your pennies, because we're going to activate the funding phase on Blahday the Blahteenth at Blah-thirty AM!" kind of announcement, allowing us all a few days at least to turn in cans and...
Hi Brian,
If all goes well we'll have the Kickstarter page ready next week. We're just working on the last couple things right now.
Hyrum.
Hi Brian,
If all goes well we'll have the Kickstarter page ready next week. We're just working on the last couple things right now.
Hyrum.
Sweetness!
Make sure you email me before you tell all these other folks...
Hi Brian,
If all goes well we'll have the Kickstarter page ready next week. We're just working on the last couple things right now.
Hyrum.
Sweetness!
Make sure you email me before you tell all these other folks...
Sorry, I got dibses!
I can see Moreaus happening in a number of different ways. Including a scenario that institute shades of a certain reality as originally envisioned by these two guys one had a surname of Eastman and the other guy's last name was Laird....
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If we send out an advanced warning that the Kickstarter page is going up at a specific time, we're most likely to do it on our Yahoo group. We might do it elsewhere too, but the Yahoo group is our official announcements mechanism at the moment.
And there's still time to sign up before any possible announcement!
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/super-genius/
I'd drop $50 in a heartbeat for Pathfinder Modern. Double that with a couple collectors items or incentives like signed books (you're that famous!) or a nice, sturdy GM screen. I'd also pay for a cyberpunk supplement and/or an end-of-world supplement like Twilight2000 or something.
Even if you have plans for weapons/equipment expansion please include a nice, fleshed-out list of basic weapons/equipment with description. I've only ever bought ONE equipment expansion in my life; they just aren't necessary for my groups.
I'm definitely in for at least $50... More if I can swing it. This would save me so much time since I wouldn't have to convert everything in d20 Modern/Future to Pathfinder all by myself. *wink*
So, can we sign up yet?
How about now?
Ready now?!
By all that's holy, let's get this started!!
-- Lord of Lunacy
My crazy idea for a P20 Modern setting: Alien invasion. Done before. How about our best hope is the vampires & werewolves. This is actually an idea I tossed around in my head since the late 80s. That was all before Underworld or Twilight. I didn't know a thing about the various White Wolf settings.
My crazy idea for a P20 Modern setting: Alien invasion. Done before. How about our best hope is the vampires & werewolves.
This has already been done by Hollywood (well, close enough, anyway). ;p
My crazy idea for a P20 Modern setting: Alien invasion. Done before. How about our best hope is the vampires & werewolves.This has already been done by Hollywood (well, close enough, anyway). ;p
Uhhhh....not really, lol.
All I know is I want a system that will support my Buffy meets X-Files meets Friday the 13th (the series) campaign :D
all the better to become a patron and influence it's direction so that it does ;)
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All I know is I want a system that will support my Buffy meets X-Files meets Friday the 13th (the series) campaign :Dall the better to become a patron and influence it's direction so that it does ;)
Oh, ja; I'm spending my time between now and the official announcement designing a quick-release system for the credit card I'll be using to sign up, so I may en-patron the project at a moment's notice ;)
Oh, ja; I'm spending my time between now and the official announcement designing a quick-release system for the credit card I'll be using to sign up, so I may en-patron the project at a moment's notice ;)All I know is I want a system that will support my Buffy meets X-Files meets Friday the 13th (the series) campaign :Dall the better to become a patron and influence it's direction so that it does ;)
I find a holder in one's sleeve with a spring activated release works best. Either that or simply memorizing the number.
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I find a holder in one's sleeve with a spring activated release works best. Either that or simply memorizing the number.
Personally, I have a team of scientists who do nothing but monitor the brain activity of all involved so that they can warn me before the patron site goes live. They also have designed a program which allows me to submit my patronage through thought alone. Everyone needs their Science Squad...
I think that's the first time I've heard the term 'genepunk' coined. Color me interested, Owen.+1
Any more details you're willing to share?
Peace,
tfad
If you're talking about genepunk, shouldn't that be "Would you kindly share the details?" :)
Just got an email that they will be going live with the patronage tomorrow! Woot!Wow news travels fast!
Yes, we wanted to give all of you a heads up that the P20 Modern
Kickstarter Project will be starting tomorrow morning, PST! We'll be
sending out a link when it's live.
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