Thuvia began selling eternal life in an organized way in 1142. (page 148) The year is now 4708. (page 203) They sell six bottles of the juice monthly, or 72/year. (p. 138) It's been 3,566 years. So the maximum number of immortals is 256,752.
Since page 139 indicates that some of these shipments go astray and common sense would allow for death by accident or intent, let's give a survival rate of 1 percent. That's still 2,567.5 immortals to account for in Golarion.
Does the potion grant permanent immortality? I thought it only suppressed aging while the spell effect of the individual potion lasted. In other words, a lot of those potions tend to go to repeat buyers who are trying to get their Eternal Youth fix.
I don't remember reading a duration on the potion's effect though.
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Does the potion grant permanent immortality? I thought it only suppressed aging while the spell effect of the individual potion lasted. In other words, a lot of those potions tend to go to repeat buyers who are trying to get their Eternal Youth fix.
I don't remember reading a duration on the potion's effect though.
From page 210 of the campaign setting, the imbiber ceases to age for 1d4 years. So that's approximately 140 immortals.
From page 210 of the campaign setting, the imbiber ceases to age for 1d4 years. So that's approximately 140 immortals.Does the potion grant permanent immortality? I thought it only suppressed aging while the spell effect of the individual potion lasted. In other words, a lot of those potions tend to go to repeat buyers who are trying to get their Eternal Youth fix.
I don't remember reading a duration on the potion's effect though.
Good cite. I missed that. Still, the 140 would be nice to know, or at least some of them.
Since it describes the value of twelve potions as being "hundreds of thousands of gold"... I don't buy that it's worth that much.
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Still, the 140 would be nice to know, or at least some of them.
With 72/year, and each averaging 2.5 years, if they all went to the same few people then it would be 180 wouldn't it?
Most of the long-term users are likely wealthy & powerful enough to buy up more than they need. So I suspect there are probably about 50-90 regular (functionally immortal) users, and 200-300 casuals who imbibe once or twice a decade.
I'd assume that contrary to the official line some power-players in Thuvia use it, likewise some or all of the Decemvirate; Taldor & Cheliax likely have their fair share (though probably a lot more "casual" users than regular ones), Razmir's probably got one.
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Does the potion grant permanent immortality? I thought it only suppressed aging while the spell effect of the individual potion lasted. In other words, a lot of those potions tend to go to repeat buyers who are trying to get their Eternal Youth fix.
I don't remember reading a duration on the potion's effect though.
i do believe it slows aging for 5 or 10 years <- ok i see i got it wrong, still i would give it that, i don't remember if they sell it per vial or for full batch
the potion makes no one is inmortal unless they drink it constantly|
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At least one, perhaps two, of the more recent shipments have also been waylaid, meaning that at least a half-dozen regular customers might be a bit antsy, and that's assuming that there are a batch of 'regular customers' given the auction / bidding-war nature of the elixir sales.
Even the wealthiest shut-in upper-class twit can't afford to just throw endless sums of money at these auctions, since there is no guarantee of 'winning,' and the money put up for the bid is lost even if you *lose* the bidding war.
The individuals getting these elixirs have to have a *constant* supply of revenue coming in, worth fortunes, on an annual basis, if they want a regular supply of these elixirs. Rulers of nations, willing to overtax their subjects to afford these elixirs, sponsors of expeditions to retrieve 'priceless relics' (including Pathfinder Society upper-ups!), and heads of serious trading / mercantile houses (including *massive* criminal organizations) would be the sorts of individuals that can afford these elixirs, not just some random high-level dude who lives in a tower somewhere. Indeed, the amount of revenue being taken in by these individuals, and apparently not being spent anywhere would make for a decent clue as to who is on the buyer's list, and anyone with more skill than cash might find it *far* more prudent to isolate a buyer and take the elixir from them after they have purchased it, but before they have imbibed it...
Stealing it from the Thuvians is apparently also an option, but likely not one that's going to keep working for long, as they have oodles of coin to burn on security measures that any single client might not be able to compete with.
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Stealing it from the Thuvians is apparently also an option, but likely not one that's going to keep working for long, as they have oodles of coin to burn on security measures that any single client might not be able to compete with.
well there is this shipments fromc ertain city losing themselves periodically... and a blue dragon interested in who may be stealing it
and with so much money involved, I doubt it would be the most intelligent thing to steal it from Thuvia directly
and that's assuming that there are a batch of 'regular customers' given the auction / bidding-war nature of the elixir sales.
Even the wealthiest shut-in upper-class twit can't afford to just throw endless sums of money at these auctions, since there is no guarantee of 'winning,' and the money put up for the bid is lost even if you *lose* the bidding war.
Everyone is only allowed to bid once in the "bidding war" so looking at past high bids is probably a good way to determine what you're likely to have to outbid. If you get outbid, you don't get a chance to try again for a month. Just reading a list of the previous winning bids probably keeps plenty of people from bidding in this single bid auction until they're really ready to make a commitment to being the high bidder.
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In Dark Markets, it's recorded that the mysterious "Nimhar" ruled the Golden City (Katapesh) from 2692 - 3250, a period of 558 years...so she was either used an extensive amount of sun orchid elixir, or she was some kind of archmage*, or was a disguised outsider of some kind.
* Nex and Geb duked it out for about 1500 years, all before the sun orchid elixir was invented...and Geb didn't become undead until after Nex disappeared. (Geb committed suicide, my theory is he was totally in unrequited love with Nexy...)
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* Nex and Geb duked it out for about 1500 years, all before the sun orchid elixir was invented...and Geb didn't become undead until after Nex disappeared. (Geb committed suicide, my theory is he was totally in unrequited love with Nexy...)
Geb was undead before Nex dissapearance... first he was a lich using a similar formula than the whispering tyrant...
after looking for Nex and his venguance... and tired of doing it he suicided becoming a Wraith/Ghost/whatever... after getting a lich/demi goddess wife...
yes hecould be gay... gorgeous wife and he rpefers to be inmaterial...
yes hecould be gay... gorgeous wife and he rpefers to be inmaterial...
And for Part II of "Are they gay? Pathfinder edition":
Geb: Gorgeous, obviously trophy wife... mustache?
Seltiyel: Metrosexual with long, flowing hair in better condition than Seoni's, fashion sense crossing the thin red line between bold and campy, proneness for dramatic posing (without bard levels), elven heritage, and no clear significant other in sight. Japanese bishounen or obvious fruitcake?
Nex: Proneness to disappearances, and no one knows his friends.
And for Part II of "Are they gay? Pathfinder edition":Queen Ileosa of Korvosa has totally moved on with Sabina, after the tragic end of her loveless, but politically expedient, marriage.
Until poor Sabina was forced to seek love elsewhere after her beloved Ileosa spurned her for the affections of some male...
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Geb was undead before Nex dissapearance... first he was a lich using a similar formula than the whispering tyrant...
Not according to p. 76 of the Campaign Setting. Geb, albeit a necromancer, was clearly alive ("vowed to live until he had finally defeated his rival", "committed ritual suicide in a fit of despair").
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And for Part II of "Are they gay? Pathfinder edition":Queen Ileosa of Korvosa has totally moved on with Sabina, after the tragic end of her loveless, but politically expedient, marriage.
Until poor Sabina was forced to seek love elsewhere after her beloved Ileosa spurned her for the affections of some male...
** spoiler omitted **
do you really want the spoilers?
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Geb was undead before Nex dissapearance... first he was a lich using a similar formula than the whispering tyrant...Not according to p. 76 of the Campaign Setting. Geb, albeit a necromancer, was clearly alive ("vowed to live until he had finally defeated his rival", "committed ritual suicide in a fit of despair").
both were already inmortal... but it said they sued elixirs... Nex reached true inmortality with the help his demiplane...
I am sure Nex was already a lich, but certainly I have no piece of text... still to back my words
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Of course, no one says the elixir only works on humans. Sure, many races are already effectively immortal, but not all of them. Not only that, but nothing says that the people who by this stuff actually uses it; they may only be buying it to keep it from being used.
There is another possibility: What if no one wins the auctions? After all, it's a silent auction, and the winners prefer to be anonymous. So, they hold the "auction", collect the bids, tell everyone they were outbid, wash, rinse, repeat.
Geb was undead before Nex dissapearance... first he was a lich using a similar formula than the whispering tyrant...Not according to p. 76 of the Campaign Setting. Geb, albeit a necromancer, was clearly alive ("vowed to live until he had finally defeated his rival", "committed ritual suicide in a fit of despair").both were already inmortal... but it said they sued elixirs... Nex reached true inmortality with the help his demiplane...
I am sure Nex was already a lich, but certainly I have no piece of text... still to back my words
I would agree that there are several different elixirs (and numerous other methods besides imbibed fluids) that delay aging - to what degree of efficacy and risk are of course subject to much speculation. Two of them I suspect would be the venerable elixirs of youth and potions of longevity. A wish I suspect would be able to do something similar to the former. The sun orchid elixir is probably the best-known method to 'cheat death by aging' in the Inner Sea region of Golarion. This doesn't count various rituals, arcane spells fair and foul and more ...
Of course, no one says the elixir only works on humans. Sure, many races are already effectively immortal, but not all of them. Not only that, but nothing says that the people who by this stuff actually uses it; they may only be buying it to keep it from being used.
There is another possibility: What if no one wins the auctions? After all, it's a silent auction, and the winners prefer to be anonymous. So, they hold the "auction", collect the bids, tell everyone they were outbid, wash, rinse, repeat.
Sounds like a way to get a party of now-Venerable aged adventurers to dust off their walkers and go looking for their elixirs. :)
Well, I am immortal. But not this cheap, knock-off immortality they sell in Thuvia, which doesn't last that long. (It's basically orange juice quintessence - a googolplex dosages of vitamin c to keep you healthy!)
I am truly immortal, because I ported over to the Boneyard, hit on Pharasma, made really nasty double entendres, and said that I couldn't wait to croak so the two of us could be together for all eternity.
BAM! Instant death proof!
Well, I am immortal. But not this cheap, knock-off immortality they sell in Thuvia, which doesn't last that long. (It's basically orange juice quintessence - a googolplex dosages of vitamin c to keep you healthy!)
I am truly immortal, because I ported over to the Boneyard, hit on Pharasma, made really nasty double entendres, and said that I couldn't wait to croak so the two of us could be together for all eternity.
BAM! Instant death proof!
I might also have given her a taste of my off-tone, off-colour singing, giving her a complete recital of the famous song "The Wizard's Staff Has a Knob on the End" and I also might have "promised" her that I'd be thinking up new verses of "The Hedgehog can never be buggered at all" just for her.
On an unrelated matter: Anyone need the home number of Urgathoa? For some reason, Pharasma insisted on me having this number, mentioning that that chick was hot and had a lot of great ideas.
She might have elaborated on that afterwards, but I couldn't hear because I started in on "The Bear and the Maiden Fair". In C-Minor. And E-Major. And Kae-Variable.