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Just saw the HD 4 minute Trailer on UTube. It shows a lot! It expands on a lot of what we have seen in previous trailers too. What I saw on Rotten Tomatoes of the recent "film clips" showed even more. I almost feel like I know the entire plot of the movie.
I plan to see the film, but I think they went to far in revealing the plot. I won't give anything away, but avoid the 4 min HD trailer and the "film clips" if you want to enjoy the twists in this film.
I would can the promotion team for this.
Just saw the HD 4 minute Trailer on UTube. It shows a lot! It expands on a lot of what we have seen in previous trailers too. What I saw on Rotten Tomatoes of the recent "film clips" showed even more. I almost feel like I know the entire plot of the movie.
I plan to see the film, but I think they went to far in revealing the plot. I won't give anything away, but avoid the 4 min HD trailer and the "film clips" if you want to enjoy the twists in this film.
I would can the promotion team for this.
Thanks- you just saved my plans for that movie weekend. They ARE getting a little too open-handed with the previews of late, so I will definitely avoid this one.
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I read the prequel novel From the Ashes by Timothy Zahn, I enjoyed it, I didn't feel it was much about John Connor, but more about the other characters, it was kind of short though.
Funny, I read it too. Not sure it was anything more than a glimpse of the situation. At least the pregnancy is out in the open. Other than that, nothing real to talk about. We know that A-10s take out HKs pretty good too. Not that I am sure how they get the parts to maintain that sort of aircraft.
I am thinking skynet can't reach certain areas of the earth. I hope they show a breakdown of how skynet took over and created its own war industry.
This movie was great. It had some really good parts to it dont want to say to much.
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My son and I saw it earlier today. We enjoyed it. The actor playing Marcus stole the movie from Christian Bale, IMO.
I didn't think either actor did a particularly good job. Some of the other characters didn't seem to have believable motivation either, but out acted either of them. The female pilot comes to mind.
Is it just me, or does this movie seem like it should've gone strait to DVD? Its not bad, its just not good either. I had trouble enjoying it. There were audible groans in the audience at certain parts of the movie. I swear I could hear the "shlurp" of eyes rolling as well...
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My son and I saw it earlier today. We enjoyed it. The actor playing Marcus stole the movie from Christian Bale, IMO.
I didn't think either actor did a particularly good job. Some of the other characters didn't seem to have believable motivation either, but out acted either of them. The female pilot comes to mind.
Is it just me, or does this movie seem like it should've gone strait to DVD? Its not bad, its just not good either. I had trouble enjoying it. There were audible groans in the audience at certain parts of the movie. I swear I could hear the "shlurp" of eyes rolling as well...
Whether I enjoy a movie or not partially depends on my expectations going in. Thanks to high expectations, I really didn't enjoy Watchmen because it didn't live up to them. I went into T:S expecting a bad movie, and I was pleasantly surprised. It's got a lot of flaws, that's for sure (the editing seemed really off to me, with lines of dialog that didn't flow with previous dialog), but I enjoyed it.
I liked it. It had some nice nods to The Terminator in it.
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Whether I enjoy a movie or not partially depends on my expectations going in. Thanks to high expectations, I really didn't enjoy Watchmen because it didn't live up to them. I went into T:S expecting a bad movie, and I was pleasantly surprised. It's got a lot of flaws, that's for sure (the editing seemed really off to me, with lines of dialog that didn't flow with previous dialog), but I enjoyed it.
I geuss that's the difference then. I went in expecting it to be pretty good (not spectacular, but better than T3). Bale coming in off of Dark Knight, a darker setting with a chance to explore the future, spectacular trailers... I was pretty let down. However, its definitely not the stinker T3 was. I'd see T:S again, I'll probably buy it on DvD.
I read somewhere that it looks like two more terminators may be created down the line. I'd wager they've learned some valuable things about the franchise now. I will expect future releases to be better, at least I hope they will be. :)
I passed on Terminator 3, but the third trailer for Terminator Salvation convinced me that it was going to be a movie I'd enjoy, and so I'd been looking forward to seeing it for a couple of months. While it had some nice bits, I ended up being pretty disappointed by the film. In the end it's an idiot plot. Pretty significant spoilers follow:
The only reason for Skynet not to kill Kyle is that it doesn't know that Kyle is JC's father-to-be. In which case, how does Skynet know that this kid whom Connor has never even met in the first place matters to him? It seems really unlikely that it could get word that Kyle Reese is important to JC without learning exactly why that's the case. (Connor himself certainly doesn't seem particularly discreet with that information, what with his whole, "You killed my father, Kyle Reese; you tried to kill my mother, Sarah Connor, the third one in the 1984 LA phonebook, not the first..." speech to, as far as he was concerned, a captured enemy. He certainly seemed pretty free with that information, although he may have mostly been talking about the future with his wife, who I gather is already fully versed on that situation via the third movie...)
I didn't hate the movie, but I can't recommend it.
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I do see some merit to it. The plot kind of reminds me of the new Star Trek movie.
Time travel is a complete cop-out for any story. They can seemingly brush away any kind of ridiculous plot hooks or backstory as "time paradoxes" or whatever.
The whole Reese going back in time thing to father John Connor makes as much sense as the chicken and egg debate. But I am good at putting such problems aside, and settling into a good special FX extravaganza.
The whole Reese going back in time thing to father John Connor makes as much sense as the chicken and egg debate. But I am good at putting such problems aside, and settling into a good special FX extravaganza.
Slight tangent:
If you think terminator's timeline is bothersome, think about this from the movie Back to the Future 2:
(going to assume you saw it)
Old Biff steals the Delorian and travels back to give the Sports Alemnac to young Biff, thus beginning the "skewed timeline" as Doc explains later. BUT, why did old Biff return to the RIGHT future from THAT point?? Shouldn't he have gone forward in the "alternate timeline" and incidentally stranded Doc, Marty, and his girlfriend in the normal future?
ARGH.
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I rather enjoyed this movie for the most part as the machine war has been something me and some of my friends have always been interesting in for a while now.
Some minor points of interest:
Also:
All in all, an enjoyable sci-fi action flick.
Crowheart
They did feel the vibrations as it got really close. But also remember that it docks with the airborne vehicle. but I do understand your point.
I thought it was a good movie just for moviesake. When watching summer blockbusters I go in expecting big explosions and a lot of action I was not disapointed.
Sorry for the bad spelling guys
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5 Stars, squared-infinity. I absolutely loved this movie! I just saw it today in a full-digital theater here in Korea, and I am sincerely surprised at how awesome-awesome it was!! I went in expecting to be let down, after having read the idiotic CNN review, and was just floored by the great FX and sound and nonstop action! I'm going again tomorrow :-)
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I thought the movie was great, although the ending was a little disapointing. I thought the best part was when
I have no idea how anyone is dissapointed.
The whole "how do the machines know Kyle is John's fater?" thing is valid...but not enough to drag this movie down.
I seriously walked out of there debating if this or Star Trek was the beter movie. Im really torn.
Blech. I did not like this one at all. And I am usually not terribly picky about things like plot continuity and good acting. This just really fell flat for me. And I was looking forward to it too. :(
I just saw this movie.
My biggest complaint, and it isn't even a spoiler: I'm so tired of the "chest cam." I'm truly tired of that perspective, and the fact that it irritates my brain doesn't help.
Beyond that, it wasn't bad. McG did a decent job, and there were some nice throwbacks to the previous films.
There were a couple of faults though, depending on how familiar you are with the action genre... There were two parts I predicted, and one was quite early in the film, that didn't pan out until the end. And it only left me with one question: What did Marcus do in his past? I'd be more specific in that question, but I don't want to reveal anything.
As far as the complaints of the machines' plan, remember they are machines. Creative thinking isn't in their programing. If they want target X, they want target X. Figuring out target Y will be just as good is a bit beyond even an uber-advanced AI.
Crappy reasoning? Yeah. But good enough for film.
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I have no idea how anyone is dissapointed.
The whole "how do the machines know Kyle is John's fater?" thing is valid...but not enough to drag this movie down.
Considering all the mucking about with the time line that Skynet has done, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Terminators in the past discovered the information and down loaded it into Skynet. Perhaps Skynet doesn't know that Kyle is John's father though. It could just know that he is the one that the Resistance will send back in time to stop the T-800 from killing Sarah Conners.
** spoiler omitted **What did Marcus do in his past? I'd be more specific in that question, but I don't want to reveal anything.
That is what I was talking about. What did he do? We know about the results, I'm curious about the details.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this so far, but for a series that has always presented strong female characters, this movie was very sexist in it's treatment of women. Spoilers follow!
The Terminator movies have always had a strong role for the girls. Hell, Sarah Connor is almost single handedly responsible for kicking off strong action women (obviously along with Ellen Ripley from Alien). The sequels did a good job keeping this alive, with Sarah returning in full force for T2, and the character of Kate in T3, plus the new model of terminator being a woman too - women kicking ass on both sides of the conflict. However, watching the blatant sexism in Terminator Salvation (T4) was painful and made me embarrassed 1) as a man, 2) as a human being, 3) for the movie's writers, and 4) for chief offending actress, Moon Bloodgood.
Her character Blair Williams, is a tough no-nonsense, competent fighter pilot. That I'm on board with. But let's just take a look at what happens to her character. She almost gets raped, putting up enough of a fight for testosterone-fulled men to get just a little excited and to claim it's not sexism because she tries to fight back. Then she gets saved by a big strong man. Then she, out of nowhere, after a night in the wilderness, decides she loves this man. Proceeds to risk the entire human race to help him escape, only to be saved, once again, by the big strong man, after being shot. Then, captured, she is only capable of giving an emotional response as the reason for her actions (the pre-feminist woman is an emotional creature, as well we all know), before being saved by another big strong man, who lets her off the hook.
The character of John's wife, is exactly that - John's wife. The Kate Brewster/Connor character from T3 has been replaced by a stereotypical "woman in the home". She doesn't fight in the war, she stays safely back at the base, worrying about how her husband is doing. When she does get into the thick of the action, she helps a wounded soldier, before giving up on him at the first sight of her wounded husband.
To be blunt - this is *bleep* awful from a franchise that has always done a good job with it's female characters. The spin-off TV show was even called the "Sarah Connor Chronicles", not the "John Connor Chronicles". This is 2009, not 1989 - even Bonnie Bedelia in "Die Hard" has got more girl power!
It didn't take my wife to point this out to me. I know it's a movie about John, not Sarah, Connor, but that is no excuse for poorly written female characters.
Not fun.
Peace,
tfad
I believe the wife was a doctor (starting as vet in T3). I would not expect to see a doctor out there with rocket launchers. In fact that would be about the stupidest thing to do, risk your skilled staff on grunt work.
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Good movie. Much better than I expected (McG is hit or miss. He's got Supernatural on the one hand, and Charlies Angels 2: Full Throttle on the other. It's like 'flip a coin, see if we get awesome McG or what-the-heck-was-he-thinking? McG.').
After the disappointing Batman movies, I'm about Christian Bale'd out (although he was awesome in The Prestige!), so the focus on the other dude (who's apparently going to be the star of the Clash of the Titans remake) and Moon Bloodgood's character was a nice touch.
I must agree with whomever upthread said that the secret to enjoying movies is to lower your expectations. Since they started putting out comic-book movies like Spider-Man and the X-Men, and fantasy stuff like Lord of the Rings, I've pretty much been going to movies thinking, 'Please don't suck, please don't suck...'
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there are big plotholes - but you can jump them - and large design flaws - but you can ignor them (robots need keypads and big metal wheels to access parts of their own base?). Awesome action flick.
I just love that both Christian Bale AND Sam Worthington have them same gravelly accent to hide their speeh impediment/Australian accent.
Loved it
Saw Terminator & Star Trek as a double-feature afternoon, expecting very little from either film. But where ST gave my a headache from rolling my eyes for 2hrs, T:S was actually a pretty good movie, say on the level of "Iron Man". The important characters acted well, and the plot was plausible & entertaining, if predictable for the genre.
I thought it was mostly interesting for its treatment of everybody who *wasn't* named "Connor".
While the time travel motif has made a right mess of any hope of continuity, I think the movie leaves enough time-specific details vague or unmentioned that it gives them leeway for sequels. The biggest problem is that we don't know when the different travelers from movies 1-3 (or Chronicles TV) came from, or what the war situation was at the time. They could have been sent months or decades apart (or minutes, but why send different Terminator versions?).
For all we know, the travelers could have been sent in reverse-movie order, and Skynet only got the idea/intel to kill John's mom in the endgame (and an old T-500 was all that was on-hand and suitable). Even if John tells everyone "Kyle's my dad, Sarah's my mom", that could have been anybody on pre-Judgment Day Earth, as far as the machines know.