Orcs and Hobgoblins (Classic Monsters Revisited)


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Is it just me, or do the Orcs come across as Chaotic Evil while the Hobgoblins come across as more Lawful Evil, or at least Neutral Evil. I can't find anything about this in the book itself, so perhaps this is just my imagination.


jaaronfarr wrote:
Is it just me, or do the Orcs come across as Chaotic Evil while the Hobgoblins come across as more Lawful Evil, or at least Neutral Evil. I can't find anything about this in the book itself, so perhaps this is just my imagination.

The orcs definetly come across as chaotic evil and the hobgoblins as lawful evil. That's because they are.


KaeYoss wrote:
The orcs definetly come across as chaotic evil and the hobgoblins as lawful evil. That's because they are.

So I checked my 3.5 monster manual and, yep, they are. How is it that I've not noticed that before? I guess most adventures or modules I've played didn't seem to make a large distinction between the behavior of orcs and hobgoblins.

This is just why I like the Classic Monsters Revisited so much. Breathes life into this creatures.

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In the old days, orcs were also LE, but they still often got portrayed as CE. That was one of the things 3e fixed in my opinion.


It's a good thing that orcs got officially moved to the ranks of Chaotic Evil, or there wouldn't really be an appropriate iconic chaotic evil humanoid opponent for low level characters (levels 1 and 2). Bugbears are chaotic evil, but at CR 2 and with 3 HD, they're likely to wipe out a 1st level party if they show up in any real numbers.

Were goblins chaotic evil in 2nd Edition, or am I remembering that incorrectly? Also, are Pathfinder goblins chaotic evil, given their "impetuous" (read: looney-toons) nature?

CR


Corrosive Rabbit wrote:


Were goblins chaotic evil in 2nd Edition, or am I remembering that incorrectly? Also, are Pathfinder goblins chaotic evil, given their "impetuous" (read: looney-toons) nature?

Not sure about 2e goblins, but I like the idea of chaotic evil goblins in Pathfinder. Makes sense.


You don't have to be chaotic if you're insane.

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Corrosive Rabbit wrote:
Were goblins chaotic evil in 2nd Edition, or am I remembering that incorrectly?

Goblins were LE in 1st and 2nd ed.

The low hit die CE humaniod was the gnoll. Later on pcs would bump into CE bugbears and ogres and trolls; but goblins, hobgoblins, koblods and orcs were the low level lawful evil punchingbags.


baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Corrosive Rabbit wrote:
Were goblins chaotic evil in 2nd Edition, or am I remembering that incorrectly?

Goblins were LE in 1st and 2nd ed.

The low hit die CE humaniod was the gnoll. Later on pcs would bump into CE bugbears and ogres and trolls; but goblins, hobgoblins, koblods and orcs were the low level lawful evil punchingbags.

That makes sense -- I forgot about gnolls.

CR


KaeYoss wrote:
You don't have to be chaotic if you're insane.

And you don't have to be insane if you're chaotic. :D

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