Seriously, no one has anything to say about this???
Part of me is like, "Charity is good!"
But another part is not entirely comfortable with the charity money starting off with a sort of torture like this.
Either way, I'm not sure from that interview if it will happen or it will just be left alone.
Part of me is like, "Charity is good!"
But another part is not entirely comfortable with the charity money starting off with a sort of torture like this.
Either way, I'm not sure from that interview if it will happen or it will just be left alone.
But according to Hannity himself, it's not torture... ;-)
I seriously hope that he's held to his words, it might get some people to wake up and smell the coffee instead of being in obvious denial.Plus, I do sort of enjoy someone as smug as Hannity getting his comeuppance. :-D
Part of me is like, "Charity is good!"
But another part is not entirely comfortable with the charity money starting off with a sort of torture like this.
Either way, I'm not sure from that interview if it will happen or it will just be left alone.
But according to Hannity himself, it's not torture... ;-)
I seriously hope that he's held to his words, it might get some people to wake up and smell the coffee instead of being in obvious denial.
Plus, I do sort of enjoy someone as smug as Hannity getting his comeuppance. :-D
Perhaps if you really thought waterboarding was torture, you wouldn't be wishing Hannity have it happen to him, would you?
Perhaps if you really thought waterboarding was torture, you wouldn't be wishing Hannity have it happen to him, would you?Part of me is like, "Charity is good!"
But another part is not entirely comfortable with the charity money starting off with a sort of torture like this.
Either way, I'm not sure from that interview if it will happen or it will just be left alone.
But according to Hannity himself, it's not torture... ;-)
I seriously hope that he's held to his words, it might get some people to wake up and smell the coffee instead of being in obvious denial.
Plus, I do sort of enjoy someone as smug as Hannity getting his comeuppance. :-D
It's a complex and conflicting situation. No, I don't really wish that anyone should suffer from torture, but on the other hand, it seems like this is what it would take for some people to actually acknowledge that it IS torture.
Of course, what Hannity does know, if he doesn't back down from his word, is that it's "controlled" torture, meaning that he knows it'll stop as soon as he wants it to. That "luxury" isn't exactly extended to those people in US custody (or elsewhere for that matter) upon whom it has been administered.After having been subjected to it, even Christopher Hitchens, who's of an avowed conservative mindset, readily admitted that this is indeed torture.
It's a complex and conflicting situation. No, I don't really wish that anyone should suffer from torture, but on the other hand, it seems like this is what it would take for some people to actually acknowledge that it IS torture.
Of course, what Hannity does know, if he doesn't back down from his word, is that it's "controlled" torture, meaning that he knows it'll stop as soon as he wants it to. That "luxury" isn't exactly extended to those people in US custody (or elsewhere for that matter) upon whom it has been administered.
After having been subjected to it, even Christopher Hitchens, who's of an avowed conservative mindset, readily admitted that this is indeed torture.
Christopher Hitchens is NOT a conservative. I have no idea where you got that from. Anyway, he's entitled to his opinion. My own brother and a few other people I know have been waterboarded and they don't believe it be. I'll take the words of people that I know over those people I don't know. However, if you in your heart believes it's torture(even being "controlled" doesn't change that fact), why do you gleefully look forward to seeing Hannity dunked? That just seems morbid to me.
I would believe it being controlled would make quite a bit difference on the impact. In my mind, being able to say "stop" is a huge deal on how bad stuff like this can be. Suggesting otherwise seems incredibly silly.
Christopher Hitchens is NOT a conservative. I have no idea where you got that from. Anyway, he's entitled to his opinion.
From the man himself. Watch any of his interviews where he talks politics.
EDIT: In fact, after some research, he says that he's more in tune with neo-conservatism, so in some ways you could argue that he's even "further right" than just being a conservative on this particular issue.My own brother and a few other people I know have been waterboarded and they don't believe it be. I'll take the words of people that I know over those people I don't know.
Again, your brother and the few other people have all experienced the "safe" version of waterboarding (even though it might have been harsher than any version a "celebrity" is exposed to, it's still in a safe environment where the military won't let them fully drown). Let's see them snatched off the street, taken to a foreign country and subjected to all the other "harsh interrogation" methods (sleep deprivation, extreme temperatures etc.) and then be waterboarded without knowing whether the people doing so could care one whit about whether they die from drowning or not. Call me crazy, but I have a distinct feeling that might change their opinion about whether it's torture or not.
Also, the US has earlier condemned countries for doing exactly this and called it torture. So if it was torture then, it's torture now.However, if you in your heart believes it's torture(even being "controlled" doesn't change that fact), why do you gleefully look forward to seeing Hannity dunked? That just seems morbid to me.
And I would readily agree that it does have a morbid feel to it. I readily admit to having a severe dislike for Sean Hannity. He has made numerous claims on several issues which I find severely distasteful and often downright (factually) wrong. He's also one of the best known forerunners for the "it's not torture" camp and I am saddened that his delusion (whether real or part of his media persona) has actually taken him so far that he's offered to have this done to him, instead of listening to rational people with much more experience in this area than himself. But by volunteering himself I can only say, fine, if that's what it takes to convince him, then by golly he should feel the full brunt of the treatment. If that's what it takes for him to learn a valuable life lesson and he volunteers for it, I can much more easily reconcile myself with the whole idea.
Christopher Hitchens is NOT a conservative. I have no idea where you got that from. Anyway, he's entitled to his opinion.From the man himself. Watch any of his interviews where he talks politics.
My own brother and a few other people I know have been waterboarded and they don't believe it be. I'll take the words of people that I know over those people I don't know.Again, your brother and the few other people have all experienced the "safe" version of waterboarding (even though it might have been harsher than any version a "celebrity" is exposed to, it's still in a safe environment where the military won't let them fully drown). Let's see them snatched off the street, taken to a foreign country and subjected to all the other "harsh interrogation" methods (sleep deprivation, extreme temperatures etc.) and then be waterboarded without knowing whether the people doing so could care one whit about whether they die from drowning or not. Call me crazy, but I have a distinct feeling that might change their opinion about whether it's torture or not.
Also, the US has earlier condemned countries for doing exactly this and called it torture. So if it was torture then, it's torture now.However, if you in your heart believes it's torture(even being "controlled" doesn't change that fact), why do you gleefully look forward to seeing Hannity dunked? That just seems morbid to me.And I would readily agree that it does have a morbid feel to it. I readily admit to having a severe dislike for Sean Hannity. He has made numerous claims on several issues which I find severely distasteful and often downright (factually) wrong. He's also one of the best known forerunners for the "it's not torture" camp and I am saddened that his delusion (whether real or part of his media persona) has actually taken him so far that he's offered to have this done to him, instead of listening to rational people with much more experience in this area than himself. But...
Christopher Hitchens classifies himself as a radical. Have you seen his book on religion? Sorry, a man that shares your view of religion is not a conservative. FYI, the military is having the exact same procedure done to them as the terrorists. We are not letting the prisoners drown. We even have a doctor that watches the procedure as it unfolds for both the terrorists and the military guys under going it. Yes, we have condemned others for waterboarding. If you think we're doing the same procedures as they're doing you're mistaken. As far as your irrational hatred for Sean Hannity, all I can say it's pretty sick. I'll leave it at that.
Christopher Hitchens classifies himself as a radical. Have you seen his book on religion? Sorry, a man that shares your view of religion is not a conservative.
What on earth has his atheism to do with having neo-conservative political views? He agrees with e.g. the Bush administrations foreign policy after 9/11, but disagrees with Bush's evangelical views. What's difficult to understand about that? Why do you think it's an "all or nothing" bag when it comes to conservative politics and religion?
Besides, this isn't really about Christopher Hitchens, I just mentioned him because he's been a proponent for the line the previous administration ran, but changed his view on what constitutes torture after actually trying it on his own body.FYI, the military is having the exact same procedure done to them as the terrorists. We are not letting the prisoners drown. We even have a doctor that watches the procedure as it unfolds for both the terrorists and the military guys under going it.
Except how on earth is someone who's classified as an "enemy combatant," who's also subjected to all the other "harsh interrogation metods," expected to know that "oh don't worry, we won't actually let you die from this... sure, you're actually drowning, but it's only for a little while... no harm done, right?"
To me, THAT is pretty sick.Yes, we have condemned others for waterboarding. If you think we're doing the same procedures as they're doing you're mistaken. As far as your irrational hatred for Sean Hannity, all I can say it's pretty sick. I'll leave it at that.
So it's okay for the US to torture because "erm, hey, we have a doctor present..." - is that what you're saying?
Sorry, but torture is still torture, no matter what other precautions you might take.Also, I'm not sure where you get that my "hatred" for Hannity is irrational. I said I have a severe dislike of him, based on things he has said himself. I find that a very rational way of disliking someone. Is it any more sick than your dislike of Christopher Hitchens based on his religious views (well, lack thereof) and what he has said and written about it?