Hi!
I want to know if I should preorder the three core rulebooks or I should wait to have seen the rules of this new edition of D&D (website or in a store).
For those who will advise me a site, I won't buy from the USA because the shipping price, the customs, the exchange rate are compicated to have a Canadian price of the product. Also, I won't buy with a credit card.
I am waiting your opinion!
I don't know about you, but I'll browse through the rules in Chapters/Indigo before deciding anything.
Most likely I won't buy any 4E stuff until some more splatbooks come out (so I'll have more "stuff" to play with).
It really depends on your own feelings for the rules. I personally preordered myself all three core books, as well as the initial module. However, my early preorder easily saved me close to $40, and as I am truly excited about 4E it was a very good deal.
If you are not that excited, you could wait until the books are released to allow you to peruse them in person. If you only intend to play, you'll only need the PHB, which no doubt will save on your expenses.
Another angle to keep in mind is that the first printing will no doubt contain a few typos/errors that managed to slip through the cracks. Many have indicated they are more interested in waiting for the second printing which will no doubt correct such errors. Myself, I don't mind (I am willing to make a few notes correcting my books if they are wrong) but if you feel differently, waiting may be advised.
If you have any questions about the 4E rules though, feel free to post them here. A lot has been released, and it is possible I or some of the other 4E fans here could answer any questions you may have.
Cheers! :)
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Hi!
I want to know if I should preorder the three core rulebooks or I should wait to have seen the rules of this new edition of D&D (website or in a store).
For those who will advise me a site, I won't buy from the USA because the shipping price, the customs, the exchange rate are compicated to have a Canadian price of the product. Also, I won't buy with a credit card.
I am waiting your opinion!
I'd definitely say look at the rules first (be prepared to take a hit to your sanity score). Then ,if actually decide to order (shudder) the books, order used copies to save money and minimize giving profit to a souless corporation full of overinflated egos.
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Hi!
I want to know if I should preorder the three core rulebooks or I should wait to have seen the rules of this new edition of D&D (website or in a store).
For those who will advise me a site, I won't buy from the USA because the shipping price, the customs, the exchange rate are compicated to have a Canadian price of the product. Also, I won't buy with a credit card.
I am waiting your opinion!
Check out the previews on ENWorld and on wizards.com, they should give you an idea of the flavor of the new edition. If you like what you see, but are still on the fence, I'd probably start off with just the phb - you can always buy the other books if you like what you read there. I'd recommend visiting your local game store to see if you can watch or play in a demo to see if 4e suits your gaming style.
The store where I plan to buy the books says that the prize will be the same after the release of the three books. So, what do you propose me?
In a way, I think I will wait after making a try at the Worldwide D&D Gameday. In the other way, I won't wait and buy the books.
As has been mentioned, its really going to depend on how much you like D&D, and how much you are looking forward to 4th Edition.
I would take Sebastian's advice and browse Enworld and other game sites to get an idea on what to expect.
Could someone say which page in Enworld I should look at?
In the Wizards website, I know I have to look at the Excerpt column, but I don't know from what date I should begin looking?
The link here will take you to ENWorld's 4E compilations PHB. Note that these are not 100% correct though, since a lot of them are derived from released examples. However, the majority will be correct.
As for the 4E excerpts, this link should give you a catalog of all excerpts on the Wizards site. Note that not all of these are the 4E excerpts ... you just want May '08.
Cheers! :)
Hi!
I want to know if I should preorder the three core rulebooks or I should wait to have seen the rules of this new edition of D&D (website or in a store).
For those who will advise me a site, I won't buy from the USA because the shipping price, the customs, the exchange rate are compicated to have a Canadian price of the product. Also, I won't buy with a credit card.
I am waiting your opinion!
If you already know that 4e is the game for you, then of course preordering should be done! The sooner the better!
But, if you aren't completely sold on it yet, I'd suggest a brief FLGS browse or possibly running or being run through KotS, which in my opinion is a great introduction to the game.
Cheers,
Anaxxius
Could someone says if this website is a reliable source for D&D 4th Edition?
Could someone says if this website is a reliable source for D&D 4th Edition?
I can't say I've ever been to that one myself, but skimming over it pretty quick, it doesn't look like anything posted is incorrect. I'm not sure if everything is there though, and it would be tough to prove one way or another.
Cheers! :)
Finally, I will buy it after waiting a long moment.
Finally, I will buy it after waiting a long moment.
Let us know what you think of it when you get it.
I want to know if I should preorder the three core rulebooks or I should wait to have seen the rules of this new edition of D&D (website or in a store).
I would suggest heading down to a bookstore where they don't mind you reading for a long time and take a good read through the PHB. Don't let all the other opinions sway your judgment. Decide for yourself.
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All the advice to look at the rules first is great, but honestly, the best thing would be to find a way to play in a game without books of your own.
Even just playing one time for a few hours can give you a real good idea of how the game plays. Couple that with skimming the books to see the big picture, and you get a good base to build your own opinion on the game.
When I played it I noticed many things that played the way I thought they would, a few things that didn't, and a few things that were surprising and that I hadn't considered.
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Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Check out the previews on ENWorld and on wizards.com, they should give you an idea of the flavor of the new edition.p
LOLZbecause those are the best places to find the most unbiased reviews of the game...
If you're not capable of sufficient independent thought to read the previews and determine your opinion based on those, you've got bigger problems than what edition to play.
Since you're just getting into it fresh, I would recommend ordering 'Keep in the Shadowlands' to get a feel for the basics of the game. (Amazon has a few of these used, right now). This will give you a handful of sessions, albeit with pre-generated chara
You mean "Keep on the Shadowfell", of course :)
I thought it was about a keep owned by Fell Darkmagic, one of the characters from the Penny Arcade D&D podcast...You mean "Keep on the Shadowfell", of course :)Well, there were keeps involved, and shadows... And I guess someone fell down... :)
Thats JIM Darkmagic to you!
Thanks for all the advices!
I was already playing two 4th edition D&D game (Worldwide D&D Gameday, Free RPG Day). I was also reading the information in the Wizards website and the others website that you suggest me.
I don't know about you, but I'll browse through the rules in Chapters/Indigo before deciding anything.
At wednesday, I bought the gift set in the website of the bookstore that "hogart" suggests and I should receive at the late date, August 12, 2008 or sooner.
I think I will receive the gift set in the week that is coming.
Since you're just getting into it fresh, I would recommend ordering 'Keep in the Shadowlands' to get a feel for the basics of the game.
"Shadow" is the new "Border" :)
I wonder how long before someone turns a 1e classic like that into a 4e adventure?
Since you're just getting into it fresh, I would recommend ordering 'Keep in the Shadowlands' to get a feel for the basics of the game.
I don't know that buying KotS is such a good idea. It's widely believed to be a sub-par adventure. It's also very expensive for an adventure, and some rules changed between it's release and the release of the Core books.
This last opinion is nearly universal. You should get some of the online Dungeon adventures instead -- they are significantly better and free.
And WotC needs to learn KotS is not an acceptable product to fans. Adventures won't improve if customers happily buy the bad ones.
Regards, and good luck.
Finally, I receive it in the last minute I write this post. I'm never think that the gift set has a weight of 7 lbs.
:( I quite liked KotS... although the supplemental stuff on WotC's website does improve it.
:( I quite liked KotS... although the supplemental atuff on WotC's website does improve it.
Yeah, people throw around universal a lot based on the very limited pool of posters.
That said, KotS did suffer from a few plot holes that you could drive a truck through.
That didn't make it less fun, just less realistic.
- Ashavan
:( I quite liked KotS... although the supplemental atuff on WotC's website does improve it.
Yeah, people throw around universal a lot based on the very limited pool of posters.
They might, but I didn't. I said nearly universal, which is IMO an accurate statement -- even ignoring posters that appear intractably opposed to 4e.
I think you'd be very hard-pressed to find five posters that don't think the product has significant shortcomings.
Regards :)
I'm not meaning this in an antagonistic way but in a genuine attempt to create a fun experience for the players, but what would people see as the plot holes in it?
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Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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I'm not meaning this in an antagonistic way but in a genuine attempt to create a fun experience for the players, but what would people see as the plot holes in it?
I can't remember any plot holes per se, but I hated the adventure. It was boring and generic beyond belief. There's no reason that even a simple beginner adventure has to be so dishwater dull (see, for example, The Sunless Citadel, which is only a decent adventure, but still light years ahead of KotSF). The encounters don't connect together in a meaningful way, (e.g., there's nothing linking the dragon burial site to anything else in the adventure) and the bad guy is just another crazy misanthrope with no backstory or foreshadowing.
I've got a more detailed write-up somewhere on these boards of my attempts to fix the adventure. The first 4e adventure had a duty to be jaw-droppingly good, not phoned-in-the-night-before bad.
Interesting - my take was so different. I found it really interesting and quite gripping. Certainly more interesting than Sunless Citadel!
The world is such a great place when people can view the same book in different ways.
The villain is a crazy misanthrope, yep. I don't really care why he's there! He's a crazy misanthrope! :D
BUT (players in my home game you no read this)
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I'm not meaning this in an antagonistic way but in a genuine attempt to create a fun experience for the players, but what would people see as the plot holes in it?I can't remember any plot holes per se, but I hated the adventure. It was boring and generic beyond belief. There's no reason that even a simple beginner adventure has to be so dishwater dull (see, for example, The Sunless Citadel, which is only a decent adventure, but still light years ahead of KotSF). The encounters don't connect together in a meaningful way, (e.g., there's nothing linking the dragon burial site to anything else in the adventure) and the bad guy is just another crazy misanthrope with no backstory or foreshadowing.
I've got a more detailed write-up somewhere on these boards of my attempts to fix the adventure. The first 4e adventure had a duty to be jaw-droppingly good, not phoned-in-the-night-before bad.
Yup. Didnt have any plot holes, but the adventure was boring and subpar.
And being the first adventure from WOTC for their brand new edition, I was suprised to see a lackluster adventure.
Dungeon online adventures are better, but not much on some of them. But they are free instead of $30......
Since you're just getting into it fresh, I would recommend ordering 'Keep in the Shadowlands' to get a feel for the basics of the game.
"Shadow" is the new "Border" :)
I wonder how long before someone turns a 1e classic like that into a 4e adventure?
Probably pretty soon.
I did this when I started playing 3.x on the assumption that I would getter a better feel for the differences in the system by running a classic that I had a lot of experience with.