So, before this venue of discussion disappears forever, could Uncle let us in on who/what "Y" is? We all thought it was Yeenoghu, but the last published level hinted that wasn't the case.
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So, before this venue of discussion disappears forever, could Uncle let us in on who/what "Y" is? We all thought it was Yeenoghu, but the last published level hinted that wasn't the case.
I believe it has been confirmed that the Y is a reference to Tharizdun the Elder Elemental Eye. I could be wrong about that, but I think it came up in the thread about unsolved mysteries of the Maures.
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I'll leave confirmations and denials to Uncle, but there's no real rush to get the answer, really. These messageboards will remain here even after the magazines have gone away. I suspect they'll see less traffic, but you'll still be able to post on them as long as Paizo's around, I suspect.
Equally perplexing is who is Dalt and just who the heck is "Uncle" anyway..?
Uncle is Robert J. Kuntz's name on the Paizo boards.
If memory serves... (And that's not always a sure thing when you've played D&D for over 27 years) In the old 1st edition module, The Forgotten Temple of ole Thaz there was a 'Y' emblem on the robes... however since I haven't actually looked at the module for many years (but I know right where it is, it's 'There') I can't be certain. It's always been my guess that 'Y' was Thazidun(sp?) though I am certainly expecting a twist and a half along the way.
Fascinating. Arrrgghh! This makes the loss Dungeon even more annoying.
I think you may be mixing up ToEE with WG4??
But now I can't find any Y emblems on ToEE robes, so maybe we're both wrong! ;)
edit: Aha! After some sleuthing, I found Paul Stormberg's article in OJ#12 @ which states:
Ah HA! okay I knew there was some Y on some robes SOMEwhere! :) I'm gonna have to dig out my old Greyhawk modules and begin combing through them again.
I definitely place the Maure Castle adventures in the DUNGEON in the same class as all those classic Greyhawk modules.
The true nature and identity of 'Y' is a mystery that must be delved! Even if I can't uncover anything about it the hunt alone will be worth it!
Quick Watson! The Game's Afoot!
"Y" does everyone keep wondering about this mystery? ;) I say let it unfold and be pleased in the end whether single guesses were right or wrong. I do intend to reveal all in the end (or near that point), so all is not lost, but a DM's secrets are his own until he coughs them up, heh? ;)
Y is not Yeenoghu, btw...
RJK
Uncle, any clues as to when the next installment of Maure will be posted? I'm about to start a party through in the very near future (within weeks) and would like to have an idea of how far they will get before I run out of material. :-)
Greg
Uncle, is WotC allowing you to publish Maure levels under the name Maure or are you having to disguise it with another name?
heh, he should own the stories, unless they were significantly rewritten.
Republishing adventures require the authors agreement, and new royalties.. so tie the evidence together ;)
You merely give the magazine the right to publish the adventure once for a established royalty, the magazine doesn't end up owning the story any more than a publisher ends up owning the books...
Now if the writer was hired by the company and recived a continous pay for writing stories, then they fold to the company... just like say code a microsoft programmers writes while employed.
Warlock's Walk should be posted soon after GENCON UK.
Cool, early September. Warlock's Walk is the 15th level, as per #112. That's quite a bit lower than the Greater Halls (8th level down). I know I'll probably have to wait for the answer to this, but what the heck, here goes: is there a direct access from the upper levels already published to Warlock's Walk, or will we have to wait for the intervening material to "fill in the blanks"?
I can only assign so much free material to be designed at a time as I have my company, Pied Piper Publishing, to run in between and I am not a rich man.
I understand completely.
Unfortunate but true, but I will not give up on posting new material, ever, and do hope to have all posted to finish the adventure, and with some extra goodies, within 18 months, which would outdo the pace that the material was being developed for the DUNGEON. Being a one-man-show with PPP makes it hard for me to figure this plan out to a tee, however.
Again, I understand completely. However I have to say that 18 mos is a far shorter time frame than I had expected. I may get to run most of this yet!
Thanks for responding!
Greg
Warlock's Walk should be posted soon after GENCON UK.
So I'll be able to read just what it was that killed me. Good.
Unfortunate but true, but I will not give up on posting new material, ever, and do hope to have all posted to finish the adventure, and with some extra goodies, within 18 months
I understand completely. Thanks for all the stuff already in DUNGEON, and thanks in advance for all the stuff to come.
I'm assuming that all remaining Maure stuff that you publish on your site is going to be in 1st edition format?
Eveyone is more than welcome.
And yes the addies, as well as ancillary material, will be posted in both editions. :)
RJK
Thank you. I've still got some of my 1st edition stuff, but I hate wading through all the charts. How old am I?
Uncle, out of curiousity, roughly how many additional dungeon levels are there of Maure Castle, yet to be chronicled by your distinguished self?
Always a pleasure to hear from you Uncle. Looking forward to anything and everything you're able to add to the current Maure material. Happy scribbling.
I think the "Y" is really Tarizdun but this symbol is usually inverted, head down.
I'm sure I read something about this in an official module, maybe in the Giant series, in the 3rd, at the end, under the castle of the fire giants there is an altar, a drow (eclavdra?), and something in the altar....or maybe it's in thr Forgotten temple of T as said earlier.
Or maybe "Y" is "YAHOO".
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Tharizdun seems to be a reasonable assumption, however I think it might be a little more esoteric. The modules talk about the City of the Elders, which to me shouts out Cthulhu mythos. Granted Tharizdun is very Cthulhuiod. If we look deeper though in Lords of Madness chapter 2: The Deep Masters, page 28, written by James Jacobs we discover that the Elder Evils have a diety named Y'chack who could be either Nyarlathotep or Hastur. Could these Elder Evils be From the City of the Elders? Nyarlathotep in particualr would be an awsome patron to the Maure family.
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I suggest those interested in exposing this mystery read the Greater Halls again, and very carefully, especially all those entries dealing with Dalt.
So, anyone want to further discuss the question of Y's identity after reading the Unsolver Mysteries article in Dragon 350? According to Dragon, Y isn't a known being on the plane of Greyhawk, and isn't even there yet, but has dwelt outside the plane--this rules out Tharizdun, to my reckoning (since Y has never dwelt on Greyhawk). To me, this really points to the idea of Y being one of the Elder Evils or Cthulhu evils, possibly Nyarlothotep or Hastur. That's where my money is at--what do the rest of you kids think?
Seems it's very similar, in earlier publication Tarizdun is the banned god, always on the border of reality, waiting to come back and destroy the universe, like the Great old one in HP Lovecraft books.
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Seems it's very similar, in earlier publication Tarizdun is the banned god, always on the border of reality, waiting to come back and destroy the universe, like the Great old one in HP Lovecraft books.
True, but to my understanding, Tharizdun had spent some time on the Material Plane, and was known by its peoples; that's perhaps the most important factor. The aricle states the following:
"'Y' is not Yeenoghu, and he is not a known god or outsider within recent reckoning. 'Y' might have connections to the Lost City of the Elders, to the most ancient members of the Maure family line (especially 'Uncle') and to a primal power as yet not released upon the World of Greyhawk, a power the family intended to summon at all costs."
I guess the part about Tharizdun's history that sticks with me here is that in order to be the banned god, big T first would have had to be active and known on the Material Plane. In any case, it seems with each little bit of writing released we become closer and closer to knowing the whole truth about the Maure family. :)