Rabban Hillel said it better than how the Gospels speak on behalf of Jesus. Do unto others as you want done unto yourself has complications. That is why the inverse is more appropriate.Do not unto others as you do not want done unto yourselfHeh. My Sunday School teachers growing up referred to this one as the "Silver Rule".Really...? I'm curious what sort of complications. We were always under the impression that the Golden Rule (do good unto others, like you would want them to do good to you) was more self-sacrificing and thus of greater value than the Silver (don't do evil to others, because you wouldn't want them to do evil to you).
Note that it was "do good to others as that's what you would want others to do to you" and not "do good to others because you want others to do good to you" (the latter implying recompense of good for good).
There once was a seagull that was blown out from sea and found itself lying on the beach. A beachcomber took note of the seagull and brought it to the town mayor. Taking pity upon the seagull, the mayor declared that a reception be held in its honor. He provided the seagull its own glass of chardonnay and even brought in some musicians to perform. The butcher from the local grocery store dropped in as well and left behind some of his finest cuts of beef for the seagull to consume. Despite the charity and goodwill toward the seagull, it ended up dying of despair before the day was over.
Did anyone ever thought to ask the question as to how the seagull should be treated? Do you treat it like a seagull or do you treat it as if it were yourself? Think for a moment and remind yourself how a seagull lives its daily life; how it nests, flies, eats, and so on. It was bad enough for that seagull that it was surrounded by the villagers and become frightened by their presence. It could be said that the seagull may have even been killed by the musical performance!
Perhaps we need to sit back and keep things in perspective? Water is to fish as is oxygen is for humans. Each of their natures differ and thus the needs associated with them.
All that glitters may not necessarily be gold.
It might be silver.
Do not unto others as you do not want done unto yourself, otherwise do what you will for that is the whole of the law.Personally, I find that too simplistic by far for something that's supposed to be a universal guide to morality. Charity, for example, would have no place under your rule as written. Sometimes refusing to heed the cries of "why don't you just leave me alone?" is a good thing to do, in the long run.
Orthos truncated; I believe I had one more bit in there and perhaps not contextually obvious, charity would fit under 'Love under Law'.
EDIT: which would encompass CJ's comment about 'Love Thy Neighbor'.
Cor 13 basically a sermon about Love being the answer and such and you get out of it that all Prophets are gone.
This is the second time I've quoted that verse and I get the exact same response.
Yes, I am aware of what 1 Cor 13 is about. That does not change the fact of what I quoted. Please focus on that subject.
Verse 8 points out that miraculous events will come to an end, while love will endure to the end of the world.
All that glitters may not necessarily be gold.
It might be silver.
Alright, it might be that I'm just tired, but I'm going to need you to explain what you were trying to get across with that story.
Alright, it might be that I'm just tired, but I'm going to need you to explain what you were trying to get across with that story.All that glitters may not necessarily be gold.
It might be silver.
Get some sleep and read again the next morn with a clear head. I decided instead of just saying something straight out, I'd pull out a Jesus card and tell you a story to see how you understood it.
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Orthos,
The point Urizen and Kirth are making is that how I want to be treated may be vastly different from how you want to be treated. For example, if I'm a masochist (which I may be for coming back to this thread so much) should I go around hurting others because I want to be hurt? Clearly not but that's what "Do unto others..." actually promotes in that situation.
On a more pertinent example, you may find a Biblical verse read to you to be a comfort in a time of trial, I'd find it annoying. So if you acted on "Do unto others..." to me in a time of trial, you'd be making my situation worse.
It's not a bad starting point, but one sentence general rules do not hold up to every corner case.
Moff,
I'm hurt that you forget my contribution to Junior Science Hour so quickly. Deeply, deeply hurt. ;-)
Paul got it.
I have long felt that "Do unto others…" included taking into consideration what others want. I concede it is not clearly spelled out. It just seems a logical extension. I would want someone to take into consideration my needs and desires before doing for me and therefore, I should try to consider others' likewise.
I know that my wife abhors role playing games, so I do not regale her with stories of my gaming exploits.
Since you usually confine yourself to HERO, there's not much to tell.
that hurts man.Since you usually confine yourself to HERO, there's not much to tell.
Sometimes, the truth does that.
that hurts man.
Not really. It is an obvious fallacy proposed by someone unfamiliar with the system.
Not really. It is an obvious fallacy proposed by someone unfamiliar with the system.I see a lot of that on this thread.
True that. Much in our own posts.
True that. Much in our own posts.Not really. It is an obvious fallacy proposed by someone unfamiliar with the system.I see a lot of that on this thread.
Nuh-uh! You're both wrong! I'm telling! TETER! BEYERS! LISA!
Tell Teter. I am still waiting for my $20 that fink owes me.
LMAO Some days you put a smile on my face. Not for the reasons you might think. it is nice knowing you :)
Sometimes I hit. Sometimes I miss. If occasionally, I make someone smile, I have made the world a little better.
Thank you.
The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :P
Strapping several pounds of high explosives to my belly to attend a wedding I am not invited to does not sound like fun to me. But then I have never tried it. Maybe I just need faith first and the fun will follow.
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The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :PStrapping several pounds of high explosives to my belly to attend a wedding I am not invited to does not sound like fun to me. But then I have never tried it. Maybe I just need faith first and the fun will follow.
You should try it. I've been to weddings where I wished I had some explosives.
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You should try it. I've been to weddings where I wished I had some explosives.The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :PStrapping several pounds of high explosives to my belly to attend a wedding I am not invited to does not sound like fun to me. But then I have never tried it. Maybe I just need faith first and the fun will follow.
You know so have I.
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You know so have I.You should try it. I've been to weddings where I wished I had some explosives.The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :PStrapping several pounds of high explosives to my belly to attend a wedding I am not invited to does not sound like fun to me. But then I have never tried it. Maybe I just need faith first and the fun will follow.
Groom? </tongue in cheek>
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Groom? </tongue in cheek>You know so have I.You should try it. I've been to weddings where I wished I had some explosives.The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :PStrapping several pounds of high explosives to my belly to attend a wedding I am not invited to does not sound like fun to me. But then I have never tried it. Maybe I just need faith first and the fun will follow.
No, not even with my first wife. Just a bad hot horrid experience with friends. One of the maids passed out from the heat, no ventilation that sort of thing.
The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :PStrapping several pounds of high explosives to my belly to attend a wedding I am not invited to does not sound like fun to me. But then I have never tried it. Maybe I just need faith first and the fun will follow.
A suicide bomb ripped through a wedding party for a family with ties to police in the Taliban's heartland in Afghanistan, killing at least 40 people and wounding dozens more.
Coincidence or comment?
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The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :PStrapping several pounds of high explosives to my belly to attend a wedding I am not invited to does not sound like fun to me. But then I have never tried it. Maybe I just need faith first and the fun will follow.Coincidence or comment?
A suicide bomb ripped through a wedding party for a family with ties to police in the Taliban's heartland in Afghanistan, killing at least 40 people and wounding dozens more.
Sad.
Coincidence or comment?
:)
What's the deal with cults anyway? How does one join, how does one found?
Caw!
You need cookies.
Sorry, Kirth. :P
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Sorry, Kirth. :P
While certainly interesting and a unique find, even I do not think this was from a man. Sediment can take a long time to settle and can cause a lot of tracks to form that do not look like what actually made the track. We have thousands of bigfoot foot prints yet no actual animal to have made it. Also it could just be a fake no matter how much they want it to be real.
I am leaning towards fake. I did not fully read all of it. I did not understand a lot of it. There seemed to be some question where it came from. My favorite line was:
It is the impression of many that evolutionists do the work of science. Creationists just sit back and believe in spite of the evidence. Please observe that who is doing science and who is "just believing."
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While certainly interesting and a unique find, even I do not think this was from a man. Sediment can take a long time to settle and can cause a lot of tracks to form that do not look like what actually made the track. We have thousands of bigfoot foot prints yet no actual animal to have made it. Also it could just be a fake no matter how much they want it to be real.Sorry, Kirth. :P
I think that the most recent thing on that entire website was back in 2000. Nothing more recent has happened since then?
True Burdick Track? At least that article is from 2005.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Paul.
The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :P
I would be, but millions of people who aren't even in my gaming group, aren't my friends, and don't even know me absolutely demand that I follow the rules of their system, to the exclusion of the one I'm interested in, regardless of what I or anybody else wants. I am not allowed to have fun unless it's with their system, period.
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The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :PI would be, but millions of people who aren't even in my gaming group, aren't my friends, and don't even know me absolutely demand that I follow the rules of their system, to the exclusion of the one I'm interested in, regardless of what I or anybody else wants. I am not allowed to have fun unless it's with their system, period.
I'm sorry. It's been proven time and again that if you're not playing 4th edition, you're not having fun.
I'm sorry. It's been proven time and again that if you're not playing 4th edition, you're not having fun.The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :PI would be, but millions of people who aren't even in my gaming group, aren't my friends, and don't even know me absolutely demand that I follow the rules of their system, to the exclusion of the one I'm interested in, regardless of what I or anybody else wants. I am not allowed to have fun unless it's with their system, period.
I think we all, atheist and Christian and otherwise, agree that now would be a great time to pelt Moff with spitballs.
I'm sorry. It's been proven time and again that if you're not playing 4th edition, you're not having fun.
Otherwise, you are subject to sudden immersion in dragon feces. There's no saving throw against that, man.
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I think we all, atheist and Christian and otherwise, agree that now would be a great time to pelt Moff with spitballs.I'm sorry. It's been proven time and again that if you're not playing 4th edition, you're not having fun.The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :PI would be, but millions of people who aren't even in my gaming group, aren't my friends, and don't even know me absolutely demand that I follow the rules of their system, to the exclusion of the one I'm interested in, regardless of what I or anybody else wants. I am not allowed to have fun unless it's with their system, period.
I am good with that. CF how about you?
I am good with that. CF how about you?I think we all, atheist and Christian and otherwise, agree that now would be a great time to pelt Moff with spitballs.I'm sorry. It's been proven time and again that if you're not playing 4th edition, you're not having fun.The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :PI would be, but millions of people who aren't even in my gaming group, aren't my friends, and don't even know me absolutely demand that I follow the rules of their system, to the exclusion of the one I'm interested in, regardless of what I or anybody else wants. I am not allowed to have fun unless it's with their system, period.
Hero!!1!!shift+1
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I am good with that. CF how about you?I think we all, atheist and Christian and otherwise, agree that now would be a great time to pelt Moff with spitballs.I'm sorry. It's been proven time and again that if you're not playing 4th edition, you're not having fun.The real question with any system what-so-ever... whether it's religious or secular, class- or not-class-based... is are you having fun? :PI would be, but millions of people who aren't even in my gaming group, aren't my friends, and don't even know me absolutely demand that I follow the rules of their system, to the exclusion of the one I'm interested in, regardless of what I or anybody else wants. I am not allowed to have fun unless it's with their system, period.
I guess that it's nice that you can all agree on something.