I'm interested in opinions regarding why the "primary colored" yellow dragon has never gotten regular Monster Manual treatment, while other secondary colors (green), and metallic/gem/other colors have. I am aware that statistics for yellow dragons have been in dragon magazine once upon a time, and perhaps in another supplement or two, but I don't recall them ever breaking into the pages of the Monster Manuals over the years. Why do you think that is?
I suspect my affinity for these creatures probably stems from growing up in the 1970's and playing the old Atari 2600 Adventure game, with it's red, yellow, and green dragons seeking to eat your brave little square throughout...
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The five metallic and chromatic dragons are the original lineup, I believe. It's not very complete if you're looking to cover all your colors, but some old-timers would probably get bent out of shape if they messed with that lineup. So additional types have to make their way in through Dragon magazines, splatbooks, etc.
well, yellow is a primary color for pigments, but green is a primary color in light. (sorry, im a physics major, so answers like this are natural...)
and as celetial healer said, that is the original line-up, too. yellow, purple, and orange, (and brown, too) for some reason, have never been added to the "official" chromatic dragons, just like mercury and steel have never been added to the "official" metallics. (i also think i may be missing a non-core metallic or two that isnt bahamut).
and hey, theres always the new edition rumors going around... maybe they will add them then.
tog
I hope not. I like the "official pantheon" of draconic species just the way it is.
well, yellow is a primary color for pigments, but green is a primary color in light. (sorry, im a physics major, so answers like this are natural...)
and as celetial healer said, that is the original line-up, too. yellow, purple, and orange, (and brown, too) for some reason, have never been added to the "official" chromatic dragons, just like mercury and steel have never been added to the "official" metallics. (i also think i may be missing a non-core metallic or two that isnt bahamut).
and hey, theres always the new edition rumors going around... maybe they will add them then.
tog
I know this might sound a little off, but it's true for me... yellow, orange, purple, and brown, don't seem like evilly intimidating colors. For some reason, the ones in the monster manual do. If any of them had a chance to spook me it would be brown.
I'm interested in opinions regarding why the "primary colored" yellow dragon has never gotten regular Monster Manual treatment, while other secondary colors (green), and metallic/gem/other colors have. I am aware that statistics for yellow dragons have been in dragon magazine once upon a time, and perhaps in another supplement or two, but I don't recall them ever breaking into the pages of the Monster Manuals over the years. Why do you think that is?
Technically, yellow (and brown, and mercury, and deep, and shadow, and steel, and mist, and cloud) dragons were in the official 2nd edition Monstrous Manual.
Shadow, brown, deep (and fang and song) dragons made the Monsters of Faerun Monster Compendium (which was really just a generic monster compendium with a bunch of "in Faerun" blurbs)
Mercury, steel, and mist dragons have come back in Dragons of Faerun (though I really don't like what they did to the mercury dragon).
Yellow dragons have been reprinted in the Dragon Compendium, Vol I. I don't know if you consider that official enough (I do).
So my question would be - where's the love for the cloud dragons?
TK
Interesting angle on the yellow, purple, and orange dragons also is that according to the Dragon Compendium they are the spawn of a sister dragon to Tiamat, who she killed in a jealous rage. They exist, but without a patron god, and so are somewhat marginalized, left to live out an existance hidden away where they are seldom able to compete against the spawn of Tiamat and Bahamut.
Interesting angle on the yellow, purple, and orange dragons also is that according to the Dragon Compendium they are the spawn of a sister dragon to Tiamat, who she killed in a jealous rage. They exist, but without a patron god, and so are somewhat marginalized, left to live out an existance hidden away where they are seldom able to compete against the spawn of Tiamat and Bahamut.
Now for an NEW ADVENTURE PATH that pits characters against a conspiracy of evil sorcerors that seeks to ressurect this sister deity, and return these off hued wicked wyrms to their rightful place!
Gimme.
Yeah, but then we'd have to deal with Yellowspawn Sandkickers, Brownspawn Stainmarkers, Purplespawn Polkadotters, and Orangespawn Bananaapples...
Yeah, but then we'd have to deal with Yellowspawn Sandkickers, Brownspawn Stainmarkers, Purplespawn Polkadotters, and Orangespawn Bananaapples...
Actually that's an incredibly cool marketing gimmick! Lets see you would have Orange artillery beasties, an aquatic sadistic humanoid brute, and perhaps a gator-looking swamp monster. For yellow the sandkicker is actually pretty good -probably fleet-footed skirmishing humanoid, some sort of wingless flying snake thing, and last somesort of desert beaded lizard that encrusts or turns stuff to salt. The purple humanoid creature would be a mastermind capable of forming its own "blazing sword." There would be a bat-winged blindheim-esk version who could blind folks and then one that is perhaps worm-shaped that can fire distructive non-elemental energy bolts.
I see another Monster Manual in the offing!
Gx3
Interesting angle on the yellow, purple, and orange dragons also is that according to the Dragon Compendium they are the spawn of a sister dragon to Tiamat, who she killed in a jealous rage. They exist, but without a patron god, and so are somewhat marginalized, left to live out an existance hidden away where they are seldom able to compete against the spawn of Tiamat and Bahamut.Now for an NEW ADVENTURE PATH that pits characters against a conspiracy of evil sorcerors that seeks to ressurect this sister deity, and return these off hued wicked wyrms to their rightful place!
Gimme.
Ask and you shall recieve. Or were you thinking about helping....
;)
G-to-the-3
Interesting angle on the yellow, purple, and orange dragons also is that according to the Dragon Compendium they are the spawn of a sister dragon to Tiamat, who she killed in a jealous rage. They exist, but without a patron god, and so are somewhat marginalized, left to live out an existance hidden away where they are seldom able to compete against the spawn of Tiamat and Bahamut.Now for an NEW ADVENTURE PATH that pits characters against a conspiracy of evil sorcerors that seeks to ressurect this sister deity, and return these off hued wicked wyrms to their rightful place!
Gimme.
Ask and you shall recieve. Or were you thinking about helping....
;)
G-to-the-3
Either or, great one.
I'd offer you any collaboration you could use but I defer to your sizeable talent oh giggity giggity goo.
Interesting angle on the yellow, purple, and orange dragons also is that according to the Dragon Compendium they are the spawn of a sister dragon to Tiamat, who she killed in a jealous rage. They exist, but without a patron god, and so are somewhat marginalized, left to live out an existance hidden away where they are seldom able to compete against the spawn of Tiamat and Bahamut.Now for an NEW ADVENTURE PATH that pits characters against a conspiracy of evil sorcerors that seeks to ressurect this sister deity, and return these off hued wicked wyrms to their rightful place!
Gimme.
Ask and you shall recieve. Or were you thinking about helping....
;)
G-to-the-3Either or, great one.
I'd offer you any collaboration you could use but I defer to your sizeable talent oh giggity giggity goo.
It's not the size of one's talent that matters as much as how it is used. It involves a lot of techinical writing, stat generation, time, and the constant critisims of your draconian master- err -collaborator... Speak now or forever hold your peace, living with, but a passing mention in the bylines of magazines to come.
The Great Green God has spoken!
Ask and you shall recieve. Or were you thinking about helping....
;)
G-to-the-3
Wait... seriously?
Wait... seriously?Ask and you shall recieve. Or were you thinking about helping....
;)
G-to-the-3
Yeah... he got my blood stirring as well. :)
It's not the size of one's talent that matters as much as how it is used. It involves a lot of techinical writing, stat generation, time, and the constant critisims of your draconian master- err -collaborator... Speak now or forever hold your peace, living with, but a passing mention in the bylines of magazines to come.
The Great Green God has spoken!
Yes, please!
thejade@bowiewonderworld.com
I'll work my ass of for you.
I'm not sure how well I could help, but for a chance to work with the heavyweights, I'd do my best!
Erm, count me in!
TK
thanis.kartaleon@gmail.com
I can edit this more than the Jade can!
The purple humanoid creature would be a mastermind capable of forming its own "blazing sword."
Hehe... Purplespawn Jedimaster
Whoa there fellas, hold on a sec.
First, we gotta figure up all the kewl dragons left out from 1st edition - orange, yellow and purple are the only ones I can recall from 1st edition. Yellow was desert, spewed a superheated cone of salty death and generally gave blue dragons absolutely unpleasant atomic wedgies. Orange, kinda sorta aquatic, barfed napalm, generally a nasty-business kind of critter. Purple (now remade I believe into those sorry lookin' "deep" dragons or whatever) where underground uber-dungeon crawlers who spewed forth a line of untyped energy damage shockingly reminiscent of a certain self-transfiguring machine show that did NOT involve blazing melee weaponry ...
Thier various spawn would, of course, nicely round out the Monster Manual 4.5 discussed herein.
I believe that the contact information for fellow messageboard peoples can be perused without just dribbling it out into the actual forum ...
Whoa there fellas, hold on a sec.
First, we gotta figure up all the kewl dragons left out from 1st edition - orange, yellow and purple are the only ones I can recall from 1st edition. Yellow was desert, spewed a superheated cone of salty death and generally gave blue dragons absolutely unpleasant atomic wedgies. Orange, kinda sorta aquatic, barfed napalm, generally a nasty-business kind of critter. Purple (now remade I believe into those sorry lookin' "deep" dragons or whatever) where underground uber-dungeon crawlers who spewed forth a line of untyped energy damage shockingly reminiscent of a certain self-transfiguring machine show that did NOT involve blazing melee weaponry ...
Thier various spawn would, of course, nicely round out the Monster Manual 4.5 discussed herein.
I believe that the contact information for fellow messageboard peoples can be perused without just dribbling it out into the actual forum ...
Actually, the only one you've got wrong is the purple dragon. They weren't replaced by deep dragons, and were in fact native to fields.
All three types of dragons have been updated to 3.5 in the Dragon Compendium, though I believe they've had some errata for them published.
Whoa there fellas, hold on a sec.
I believe that the contact information for fellow messageboard peoples can be perused without just dribbling it out into the actual forum ...
Dribbling contact information? What a debasing way to phrase something we've done on these boards for years as a way of requesting a dropped line. You're making it sound like we pulled down our pants at the foodstore, by the baby food section. If this is what vexes you... you must die a little inside at stop signs, eh?
Now for an NEW ADVENTURE PATH that pits characters against a conspiracy of evil sorcerors that seeks to ressurect this sister deity, and return these off hued wicked wyrms to their rightful place!
G-to-the-3
It's not the size of one's talent that matters as much as how it is used. It involves a lot of techinical writing, stat generation, time, and the constant critisims of your draconian master- err -collaborator... Speak now or forever hold your peace, living with, but a passing mention in the bylines of magazines to come.
The Great Green God has spoken!
I would help:
Plenty of twisted imagination with little outlet.Decent sense of balance.
Decent sense of mechanics
Or just correspond as a sounding board for ideas (but gruesomely honest about my opinions).
Kyravahne (and his mild alter ego Scott Noel) can be reached at: noel.scott@gmail.com
I would help:
Plenty of twisted imagination with little outlet.
Decent sense of balance.
Decent sense of mechanics
Or just correspond as a sounding board for ideas (but gruesomely honest about my opinions).
Kyravahne (and his mild alter ego Scott Noel) can be reached at: noel.scott@gmail.com
As of right now, we have enough cook (kooks? whatever.) for this project. Regardless, Kyr I'll be in touch. So to everyone else, go off and make Your Own Adventure Path (YOAP!).
;)
GGG
I would help:
Plenty of twisted imagination with little outlet.
There's always neighborhood cats!
Here kitty, kitty,
GGG
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I would help:
Plenty of twisted imagination with little outlet.
There's always neighborhood cats!
Here kitty, kitty,
GGG
look what the cat dragged in.
a zoog.this means war again.
the zoogs will have their pound of flesh.
oh, zoogs, can we not live in peace?
crazy zoogs, anyway.
every time I fall asleep,
zoogs, zoogs, and more zoogs, and their fiendish traps.
in my neighborhood, the cats and the zoogs exist in an uneasy detente.
Whoa there fellas, hold on a sec.
I believe that the contact information for fellow messageboard peoples can be perused without just dribbling it out into the actual forum ...Dribbling contact information? What a debasing way to phrase something we've done on these boards for years as a way of requesting a dropped line. You're making it sound like we pulled down our pants at the foodstore, by the baby food section. If this is what vexes you... you must die a little inside at stop signs, eh?
Well, not usually suffering much from Death by Stop Sign. Although I'm a mite gunshy about dropping e-mail addresses into a forum whom anyone can peruse. The slime trail image is a nice touch tho Jade. :)
Well, not usually suffering much from Death by Stop Sign. Although I'm a mite gunshy about dropping e-mail addresses into a forum whom anyone can peruse. The slime trail image is a nice touch tho Jade. :)
I feel weird having to admit that I don't quite understand the slime trail image because it's like turning down free credit for saying something clever. Dern.
I suppose it's possible that someone could get my email addy from Paizo and go hog wild with it, but I guess I'm just not afraid of the consequences. There are folks that get real uptight with their information being out there at all, and I've come to understand why. But figure when you see us doing that here it's because we've weighed the possible outcomes of sharing and decided it was worth taking the chance. I've yet to be spammed by a villain who fished my name off Paizo. Well, now that I've said it, it's kind of like shouting, "Shallonge!" isn't it?
The worst that ever happened by letting my real name RONE BARTON go out on Paizo was that a few girlfriends from a billion years ago wrote in, and I'm a guy that just wants them to be happy in their lives and completely forget about me, so that was a little stressful even though they meant well.
But, what the hay? I'm living on the edge. It's like virtual reality bungie jumping!
I fail to see, but am curious as to, the train of thought that lead to the analogy relating to the dropping of drawers and death by stop sign. Allow my to formerly proclaim: Wha...?
...just like mercury and steel have never been added to the "official" metallics.
Mercury would be really intense as a metallic dragon color/type, so would steel but not as intense as murcury.
Hardcore-like
The DH
I fail to see, but am curious as to, the train of thought that lead to the analogy relating to the dropping of drawers and death by stop sign. Allow my to formerly proclaim: Wha...?
Well it seemed Turin was put off by Thanis and I offering our emails to Triple G in open forum. It is entirely possible that he was just looking out for our internet safety and the proper maintennance of our privacy, but I read it as him suggesting that we had broken an unwritten rule of forum etiquette and commited a gross exposure of self. This is how I came to be balls out by the Gerbers.
And then the 'little death' (not of the gleeful French variety) at stop signs referred to what I perceived to be a type A personality getting all hot and bothered over something trivial.
I guess I got punchy because he said we were 'dribbling' information. First of all I've got a phobia about gerunds that start with the letter D, and more importantly I have worked very hard with many physical therapists to gain control over my rampant slobber problem and you all know that!
WAAAAAAAH!
::runs off to drool himself a river::
I'm interested in opinions regarding why the "primary colored" yellow dragon has never gotten regular Monster Manual treatment, while other secondary colors (green), and metallic/gem/other colors have. I am aware that statistics for yellow dragons have been in dragon magazine once upon a time, and perhaps in another supplement or two, but I don't recall them ever breaking into the pages of the Monster Manuals over the years. Why do you think that is?
Steel, Mercury and Mist Dragons have all been updated to 3.5 on the WotC site under Retired Article Categories-Monster Mayhem. Late 03 to Early to mid 04. If you click the link it'll take you to the list but you might need to click refresh since it sometimes goes to an error message first. Once there just copy the text into word and save it-boom easy as pie.
I would help:
Plenty of twisted imagination with little outlet.
There's always neighborhood cats!
Here kitty, kitty,
GGG
Leave the cats alone, scale face!!!
SP (A paragon, half-prismatic dragon, multiheaded max HD Tyrannosaur Monk 6/Tattooed Monk 20/Cloud Anchorite 10. RROOOAAARRRR!!!!)
I fail to see, but am curious as to, the train of thought that lead to the analogy relating to the dropping of drawers and death by stop sign. Allow my to formerly proclaim: Wha...?Well it seemed Turin was put off by Thanis and I offering our emails to Triple G in open forum. It is entirely possible that he was just looking out for our internet safety and the proper maintennance of our privacy, but I read it as him suggesting that we had broken an unwritten rule of forum etiquette and commited a gross exposure of self. This is how I came to be balls out by the Gerbers.
LOL! You have such finesse with words, you know that?
And then the 'little death' (not of the gleeful French variety) at stop signs referred to what I perceived to be a type A personality getting all hot and bothered over something trivial.
I guess I got punchy because he said we were 'dribbling' information. First of all I've got a phobia about gerunds that start with the letter D, and more importantly I have worked very hard with many physical therapists to gain control over my rampant slobber problem and you all know that!
WAAAAAAAH!
::runs off to drool himself a river::
Oh, okay, that makes perfect sense now.
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I would help:
Plenty of twisted imagination with little outlet.
There's always neighborhood cats!
Here kitty, kitty,
GGGLeave the cats alone, scale face!!!
SP (A paragon, half-prismatic dragon, multiheaded max HD Tyrannosaur Monk 6/Tattooed Monk 20/Cloud Anchorite 10. RROOOAAARRRR!!!!)
Jest to let you know..., I'm dog people myself and never had much use for cats; to each his own and whatnot, no hatred just not a fancier.
H. P. Lovecraft, however, was said to be a cat lover.
Just havin' a bit of fun Heath. No offence intended or taken. Though to your point Heathansson, I like both cats AND dogs. Whales, bats, bears, birds, reptiles, fish, cephalopods and arachnids as well. And many other creatures as well. It is interesting, seeing the old dragons revamped, getting back to the original topic.
Well, not usually suffering much from Death by Stop Sign. Although I'm a mite gunshy about dropping e-mail addresses into a forum whom anyone can peruse. The slime trail image is a nice touch tho Jade. :)I feel weird having to admit that I don't quite understand the slime trail image because it's like turning down free credit for saying something clever. Dern.
I suppose it's possible that someone could get my email addy from Paizo and go hog wild with it, but I guess I'm just not afraid of the consequences. There are folks that get real uptight with their information being out there at all, and I've come to understand why. But figure when you see us doing that here it's because we've weighed the possible outcomes of sharing and decided it was worth taking the chance. I've yet to be spammed by a villain who fished my name off Paizo. Well, now that I've said it, it's kind of like shouting, "Shallonge!" isn't it?
The worst that ever happened by letting my real name RONE BARTON go out on Paizo was that a few girlfriends from a billion years ago wrote in, and I'm a guy that just wants them to be happy in their lives and completely forget about me, so that was a little stressful even though they meant well.
But, what the hay? I'm living on the edge. It's like virtual reality bungie jumping!
*Chuckling* I'm merely unaccustomed to giving out of such information on a forum .. and probably in need of medication as well, depending upon whom one talks to of course ...
*Chuckling* I'm merely unaccustomed to giving out of such information on a forum .. and probably in need of medication as well, depending upon whom one talks to of course ...
Aw, MAN do I need some medication. I just can't figure out what would work on someone like me.
I would help:
Plenty of twisted imagination with little outlet.
There's always neighborhood cats!
Here kitty, kitty,
GGGLeave the cats alone, scale face!!!
SP (A paragon, half-prismatic dragon, multiheaded max HD Tyrannosaur Monk 6/Tattooed Monk 20/Cloud Anchorite 10. RROOOAAARRRR!!!!)
Hah! I'm unstatted! I win!!!
Great Green GOD!
Aw, MAN do I need some medication. I just can't figure out what would work on someone like me.
*Chuckling* I'm merely unaccustomed to giving out of such information on a forum .. and probably in need of medication as well, depending upon whom one talks to of course ...
That sounds like an excellent idea for an April Fools' Day adventure : " The Quest for Prozac ! "
Or something ...
I would help:
Plenty of twisted imagination with little outlet.
There's always neighborhood cats!
Here kitty, kitty,
GGGLeave the cats alone, scale face!!!
SP (A paragon, half-prismatic dragon, multiheaded max HD Tyrannosaur Monk 6/Tattooed Monk 20/Cloud Anchorite 10. RROOOAAARRRR!!!!)
Hah! I'm unstatted! I win!!!
Great Green GOD!
Oh one thing. I also happen to be on a first name basis with Ao, most of the Greyhawk Pantheon, The Sovereign Host, The Undying Court, Odin, Zeus, Re-horakhty and Star Trek's Q In other words I win, unless you REALLY want to tick off a few ubergods. (Just to let you know.) ;-)
Re: Previous post-just having a little fun. We're all friends here. Besides, squirrels are quite prevalent in many neighbourhoods and don't have owners to get ticked off. :-)
Getting back on topic, anyone have ideas for new types of dragons (iron, lead, tin, electrum, violet (or would that be considered purple), magenta, etc) I tried to use metals that would not be considered too modern, say uranium, titanium, aluminum (or aluminium to the British posters), etc. As for colours, nothing too modernish say ... I can't think of any examples at the moment. Oh well
That sounds like an excellent idea for an April Fools' Day adventure : " The Quest for Prozac ! "
Or something ...
TPK for sure.
"We thought the funny little pills would at least raise an ability score or something."
An unamused Pelor greets the party at his realm's outer gate. "You were wrong," he offers.
"Yeah, I guess. We got real happy and then fall down go boom. So... letting us in?"
"Gotta think about that."
"Well this is where we got sent, so uh..."
"Give a man a minute to think, would you?"
I would help:
Plenty of twisted imagination with little outlet.
There's always neighborhood cats!
Here kitty, kitty,
GGGLeave the cats alone, scale face!!!
SP (A paragon, half-prismatic dragon, multiheaded max HD Tyrannosaur Monk 6/Tattooed Monk 20/Cloud Anchorite 10. RROOOAAARRRR!!!!)
Hah! I'm unstatted! I win!!!
Great Green GOD!
Didn't buy Deities and Demigods, did you? You all aren't that impressive after all. =/
I discovered this thread late. Anyway, to get back on topic...
well, yellow is a primary color for pigments, but green is a primary color in light.
To add to that, the original "missing chromatics" article assumed the red-blue-yellow primary pigment principle was in place. Had the author used the red-green-blue primary color principle, the missing chromatics would be colored yellow (red x green), magenta (red x blue), and cyan (green x blue). And a little nitpicking here, violet is considered the color produced by mixing red and blue pigments, not purple. Is purple used in the names of the colors of the rainbow, or prismatic spray for that matter?
yellow, purple, and orange, (and brown, too) for some reason, have never been added to the "official" chromatic dragons, just like mercury and steel have never been added to the "official" metallics.
Had my article query been accepted by Dragon, there would come out a Grand Unified Theory that explains the existence of all the chromatic, metallic, and gem varieties. To wit...
Each family has five original members. The ones in MM and MM2.
Each family has a sister group of three members. For chromatics it's the three in Dragon Compendium, for the metallics it's the mercury, electrum (from Ed Greenwood's Myth Drannor and subsequently a Monstrous Compedium Annual volume) and one more dragon. For the gems it's my homebrew jade, opal, and turquoise dragons, all statted at the WotC board.
Each family also has one aberrant member, which is set apart by different abilities. The brown dragon is flightless, has leathery scales, and is named after a color that is not really well-defined in common usage. The steel dragon has a second, fatal breath weapon, can be LN in alignment, and is named after an alloy that has one non-metallic component, carbon, unlike bronze and brass. The obsidian dragon, from the Mind's Eye column of the D&D website, is NE, does not have another energy resistance since it is already of the fire subtype, and is named not after a mineral but a mineraloid, a glass that does not form crystals.
Technically, yellow (and brown, and mercury, and deep, and shadow, and steel, and mist, and cloud) dragons were in the official 2nd edition Monstrous Manual.
That desert-loving yellow dragon is of course an entirely different creature from this yellow dragon. I've read somewhere that for 3.5e, use the sand dragon from Sandstorm instead, though it has more powerful stats.
So my question would be - where's the love for the cloud dragons?
It is irksome that in the Draconomicon the stormdrake, which has practically the same abilities, also goes by the name of cloud dragon although it is a lesser dragon not closely related to the mist dragon. I don't know whether to take this as a sign that a real cloud dragon will be not be officially statted - if it will be that nickname should be dropped for the stormdrake.
Steel, Mercury and Mist Dragons have all been updated to 3.5 on the WotC site under Retired Article Categories-Monster Mayhem.
The steel dragon statted there had some incorrect CRs which were fixed in the Greyhawk dragon in Dragon and again in DoF.
Getting back on topic, anyone have ideas for new types of dragons (iron, lead, tin, electrum, violet (or would that be considered purple), magenta, etc) I tried to use metals that would not be considered too modern, say uranium, titanium, aluminum (or aluminium to the British posters), etc.
I know exactly how you feel. Writing my homebrew project / article query, I wondered over what metal and alloy names to use. I wanted to restrict myself to those known in antiquity and medieval times. Iron and nickel could have been used had they not already used for the ferrous dragons of Inzeladun that appeared in an old Dragon issue. I'm using lead and pewter now.
Interesting comment on violet vs purple but I thought that I saw purple dragons being listed in a previous version of the game somewhere and I'm not sure that on the chromatic front the designers had any specific plan in mind (after all, brown isn't a colour in the rainbow and black and white are classed as shades rather than strictly colours, although one could argue that rainbows contain white light that has been fragmented into the individual colours by the rain drops acting as prisms). Not sure how much distinction might be made at times between the two by some. Antimony, zinc, nickel, cobalt, maybe wolfram (tungsten) could be interesting metals although it could pose a problem of colouration depending on the amount of grey in their hides (possible in game confusion w/ Silver, Steel, etc.)
That's the problem with metallic colors. Most metals are "silvery-gray" in color with just variations in luster or closeness to white/black to distinguish them. And they don't connote colors like gold, silver, and copper do (all members of the gold group in the periodic table, by the way, and both bronze and brass are alloys of copper - as an aside, there are alloys of copper and silver, billon; and copper and gold, tumbaga). At least electrum is between silver and gold in color as an alloy of both. For my lead and pewter dragons, they'd have basically the same coloration.
I thought "violet" is just a classical way of saying "purple". I don't know much physics, so I go by the color wheel that I was taught in middle school art class: blue/cyan, purple/violet, red/magenta, orange, yellow and green. I could be wrong, as I am a little color blind. When I look at a traffic light I see red, yellow and white. Any color that is blue or purple (or violet) appears to me as 'blurple'.
...all members of the gold group in the periodic table, by the way, and both bronze and brass are alloys of copper...
What? I beliee that alloys are chemical mixes of metals and such, whereas an element (which gold is, along with anything else containing a separate entry on the periodic table) is atomically uniform. One needs forces akin to those found inside an exploding star to form gold and other heavy elements. Or did I just read your post wrong?