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Well, one of the main reasons they retired it is because of the involvement of Amara Li (and Grandmaster Torch in part 3). Lantern & Shadow Lodges go bye-bye, it doesn't make sense to introduce new players to them. They do plan to add new level 1-2 modules to replace them.

Good news everyone! We are working behind the scenes to try and get something started in Gainesville ASAP that would be free. There was a lot of interest and I have had some offers of help. It may or may not be hosted at a local game store - as you mention, some of the FLGS may not be so friendly to RPG play in their stores.

For the record, I have spoken to the owner at Mega, he's open to running some Pathfinder stuff on Sundays after the D&D slot. The only issue is that if it becomes too popular, he may start charging for people to play just to limit the number of people showing up, due to limited parking. (of course, if the Pathfinder players were buying a lot of stuff at his store, he might have a different opinion about that)

1) One player, a samurai, has named his horse Anthrax.

Actually, Anthrax is the Greek word for "Coal". Prior to the modern-day naming of said disease, it would be perfectly natural to name a black horse "Anthrax".

On a side note, oddly enough, I feel like I've actually heard of a horse called Anthrax somewhere. I just don't remember where.

Concerro, can you give a reason that your explanation is better than the others? A reference somewhere that clarifies?

Honestly, my feeling is that KrispyXIV's assessment is correct, that the UMD check to use a scroll IS essentially a check to emulate a class feature (spell casting of the appropriate level) simply because it's consistent with other uses of the skill. I think a clearer way to state the way UMD works in this case is that, rather than allowing you to cast the spell as though it were on your spell list, you are in fact emulating the ability to cast spells of that class at that level. Unfortunately, it doesn't state it quite so clearly, and I don't see any official statement to clarify this case.

And of course the ability score has to be emulated if it's not naturally high enough, because simply having the spell casting capability of that level isn't enough if your stat isn't high enough.

I think we've got it narrowed down to a few possible answers on this...

1) A Rogue's Caster Level is always 0, which means it gets progressively harder for him to cast higher level spells

2) The existing UMD check to be able to use a scroll includes emulating the caster level check

3) An additional UMD check is required to emulate the appropriate caster level

4) The Rogue's caster level for this purpose is effectively his class level (this one I admit is unlikely)

In the case of 1 and 4, a corollary is that a bard, for example, wishing to cast a divine scroll would have to make a caster level check after the UMD check.

Another question... could a bard with a high enough UMD use a UMD check in place of a caster level check for a higher level spell? (if your UMD was high enough with various bonuses, this might be worthwhile)

Unfortunately, we don't have any official response as to which possibility is correct.

Mir'Cael wrote:

Thank you all for your responses, but I'm still a little in the dark.

Maybe if I revise the question?

Suppose a Rogue/7 with an Int of 17 wants to use UMD to activate a Scroll of Limited Wish (CL13).

The rogue attempts a UMD check vs DC33 (20 + scroll's caster level).

She gets a 35 on the UMD check.

Since she has the required Int score to cast a 7th level Wizard spell, she may now use the scroll "as if [she] had [Limited Wish] spell on [her] class spell list."

To use a scroll, she must make a caster level check against a DC of the caster level of the scroll plus one.

What is her caster level?
Is it:

A) 15 (her emulated level of Wizard per her UMD result)
b) 13 (the level she was attempting to emulate)
c) 7 (her character level)
d) 0 (you can't emulate a caster level???)
e) Another UMD check, minus 20
f) something else entirely

To put it as simply as possible, when using UMD to activate a scroll, how do I determine my caster level?

Thanks again, everyone.

Simple answer: b)

Longer answer is this spell would be cast at 13th level (or answer b) ... because the spell effects are based upon the writer of the scroll, not the person reading it. Unless specified, the writer of a scroll is presumed to have only the minimum level required to cast the spell, although a Decipher Scroll check should tell you right away if this scroll was made by a caster at a higher level.
I think I understand the reason of your question in that Limited Wish lets you duplicate another 5th level or lower spell where the level is important (like what level is the fireball I just used my limited wish to cast), but again it comes down to the writer of the scroll not the "user".

Hope that helps answer "Your" question ;)

That doesn't answer the question at all, as the question was not what the spell's caster level is, but what the Rogue's caster level is for the purpose of a caster level check that seems to be required to cast the spell.

Just moved to the Gainesville area, was just wondering if there were any Pathfinder games going on in the area.

Also, wondering if there has been any interest in starting any Pathfinder Society stuff locally.