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I've got an issue as to when exactly can one roll a stealth check. I currently have a situation where at the beginning of any adventuring, the rogues in the party say they are Stealthing, and they make a roll.

Now I can understand that they want to move around quietly and don't want to be spotted. But should they roll and have a Stealth value when there is yet to be any opponents which need to roll a perception check?

By doing it this way, it seems to contradict the rules of Breaking Stealth.

Breaking Stealth: When you start your turn using Stealth, you can leave cover or concealment and remain unobserved as long as you succeed at a Stealth check and end your turn in cover or concealment. Your Stealth immediately ends after you make an attack roll, whether or not the attack is successful.

Reading that, it sounds like Stealth rolls should only be applied when in a turn based situation.

Any thoughts anyone?

Here is an example scenario.

A Rogue with Hide in Plain Sight for Urban environment. He is in a room, 20x20. This room is completely empty. Walls are blank, room normally lit, (not to bright).

With him in this room there is one other person. He is facing an enemy. They are directly facing each other in the centre of the room. They are eye to eye.

Now, in this situation, can a Rogue use his Hide in Plain Sight ability, with a successful Stealth check vanish completely from view? No Bluff checks or anything. Just use HiPS to hide.

The rule states that he can Stealth, even while being observed. However, does a Rogue still require Cover and Concealment to complete this action as part of a Stealth check?

I've seen a read a few conflicting arguments in these forums about this which are related it to a Shadowdancer. I'm only interested in the Rogues ability.

NOTE: This is like the Ranger's ability. However the Ranger also has Camouflage. With Camouflage, he doesn't need Cover or Concealment.