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Obsurdity is in the mind, if you think horse that is wrong, it is an entirely different creature. Centaurs can place thier hooves where they need to be say a crack or crevase, and assist with thier arms. anyway the point is moot since it has been ruled on in game. I will obtain some magic item or other eventually to allow me to overcome such obsticales in the future. It was a 500 foot sheer cliff which I was not truely going to attempt to climb other than achedemically, after all I am somewhat intelligent. I bauked at the idea of not being able to try. I am a troublesome player with more good intentions than ideas. I enjoy a challenge and I often do unexpected and either heroic or foolish things,usually depending on the outcome. The GM is always more than fair and I just couldn't let this one go so easily, my next character will no doubt be a knoble animal carnivorous ape or gorilla...lol..:P

Thanks for all the great input it was mostly awsome...

Nothing in the rules states that Centaurs cannot climb. There is a rule for natural tendancies that gives a -8 penatly for doing things not in your nature. In a fantasy setting pcs do difficult things all the time a monk shouldn't be able to leap 40 feet either "naturaly" humans just can't do that. So to say "naturally" horses can't climb is silly, besides it is a centaur not a horse. as for agruing that it is just tough and if you can climb other characters should get dark vision makes no sense. There are penalties to be sure but not exclusions, if I choose to climb and I fail then so be it , but should be allowed to try. -1 for large, -8 for un-natural activity, -4 for armor if I wear it, -13 or -9 climb check is acceptable.

I have to say then how does a human "grasp " with his boot? the hoof is no less able to find a purchase than a booted foot. as for range of movement that is simply a human conciet that says they can't do it. A front leg is able to be folded under the body and the rear legs have a back bending knee making better flexibility not less. While I agree it would be akward, recieving a penalty, making it impossible is making a skill check for a pc to perform and action impossible. There should be an official rule stating the centaurs cannot climb, otherwise the pc is being unfairly disallowed a standard action, climb.....

I admit it might seem funny to imagine a centaur climbing a cliff but not any more so than a four foot high halfling doing the same thing. with a strength of 22, and a reach when on their hind legs of almost 10 feet ot better. Remember it is fantasy, and centaurs are very flexible, hooves are ridgid allowing a very narrow cracks and ridges to be used as foot holds, also two very strong hands and arms to pull upward, specialized climbing gear also adds to the climb skill. It is not the case that the entire horse half is useless in climbing as is assumed by some, the four hooves are indeed usefull climbing impliments even granting two additional anchor points versus and bi-pedal creature. There is no common sense that says centaurs can't climb it is simply the idea that horses can't climb, horses lack the intelligence and will to do so. Centaurs have the ability and the will to do so, and they can climb...