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You're presuming that only one result is logical, which isn't fair.

Saying the specific words "a sling" should be restricted to mean literally just that, "a sling", is logical and perfectly acceptable.

Similarly, saying the specific words "a sling" should be interpreted to mean the broader category of "sling-like" weapons is also logical and perfectly acceptable.

I agree that I'm not being totally fair.

Saying it should mean just the specific weapon: sling, is acceptable, but it isn't "logical." It's just a choice someone is making. Logic does not apply to all intelligent decisions. Indeed, it's applicable to very few.

This whole debate is really about interpretations, and either interpretation is fine as far as I'm concerned. My complaint is with the implication that Sling Staff supporters are being illogical, which is an insult and is just plain wrong.

Yes, holding to "a sling" meaning "a sling" rather than "any kind of sling" is "illogical."

Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean it's illogical.

I believe you're dead wrong with regards to the "logic" behind your decision.

"A specially designed sling attached to a short club" is quite clearly "a sling," if you want to use logic in making your decision.

It's fine if you want to prohibit the use of the warslinger trait for a halfling sling staff for a wide variety of reasons. Please don't pretend that logic is the reason, though, insulting all of those who'd reached the opposite conclusion quite reasonably.

Thanks for taking the time to make a ruling. Now we can all move on to other build ideas. Halflings in a martial class are a bad idea to begin with.

Thanks everyone.

It sounds like getting a +3 Adamantine weapon would be a goal for many melee builds.

You'd get through DR/Adamantine when you bought the initial masterwork item. (3,000+ GP, 18 Fame)
You'd also get through DR/Magic when you enhanced it to +1. (5,000+ GP, 18 Fame)
You'd also get through DR/Cold Iron and DR/Silver when you enhanced it to +3. (21,000+ GP, 36 Fame)
You'd also get through DR/Alignment when you enhanced it to +5 (53,000+ GP, 49 Fame)

Do adamantine weapons overcome DR/Cold Iron or DR/Silver like a +3 or +4 enhanced weapon would?

My literal reading of the rules makes it sound like you'd need a Cold Iron weapon to overcome DR/Cold Iron and that adamantine weapons would have their damage reduced by that type of DR. Common sense makes me think that adamantine weapons should overcome the weaker form of DR. Which is it?

So, a week later and no action? Considering the number of times I've seen this question raised, and the number of people who flagged it for FAQ, does it really deserve to be ignored?

Give them some time. They're doing their due diligence and reading all the opinions on the matter in all the other threads. That should take them at least another week.

GMs in PFS may certainly say otherwise. Just because they both have sling in the name does not make them both apply to the Warslinger trait. That trait only allows a halfling to reload their sling as a free action, and it doesn't apply to the slingstaff.

Whether that was intended or not is up for debate, but the rules as written are not in your favour.

I don't think this is a matter of RAW applying and RAI being irrelevant. In this case the rule is poorly written and ambiguous. There is no clear ruling so we need interpret to rules that they make sense and make the game most fun.

Some people want to believe that "a sling" only applies to the specific weapon: Sling.
Others want to apply it literally to all loadable slings.

Neither side is right until a hard ruling comes down from the rules publisher. Until then it's up to each individual GM and I think the vast majority of GMs would rule that it's fine to apply the Warslinger trait to Halfling staffslings.

In my case I'll keep a staffsling and a composite longbow on my Halfling paladin and use the bow if a GM doesn't want to allow the free reloads. Unless I'm smiting I'm not doing much damage, so it's not like it really matters in the big picture. If an official ruling favored the staffsling then I might invest in some weapon feats and purchase an enhanced staffsling.