Sorry about the work delay. The race i'm working on is sentient, and has a tauric build (two arms and four legs) Canine based. I am using the monsterous humanoid type. On average they should be human average height wise. which is defeated by the Large prereq, in the Race builder. I was just wondering if there were any actual rules for Medium size quads. and if not some guide line for adjusting the cmd / trip values. which i am assuming comes partly from being multi-legged and partly from intelligence.