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You aren’t going to be able to take that character to any PFS tables outside your area/that single GM.

my point is that it's unfair to not allow my other players

the option to take their chars to other tables outside out area/our two GMs just because they played with my char. i'm pretty sure that is push comes to shove they our group with just stop handing out official Chronicle sheets and keep playing as usual

Several people here have provided you with rules citations why.

They all provided my with the same sentence that states RAw that you get access to higher level spells when you get the bonus spell slot.

If anyone is will to argue linguistics with me feel free. but the fact that enough people interpreted the core to mean that the class descriptions give the bonus spells slots out at first level is proof that it is a valid interpretation of the text. AND the FAQ just clarified that "a spellcaster must be of a high enough
class level to be able to cast spells of a given spell level" just means that the two are tired together and if the class description gives bonus slots out before they would normaly be able to has access to those spells(meaning thing like cloudkill not spell slots) of those spell level.
Not any one has given me a citation of where is stats the daily limit on spell preparations. the only daily limit 'Like other spellcasters, a druid can cast only a
certain number of spells of each spell level per day. Her
base daily spell allotment is given on Table 3–7.' & "His high Intelligence score might
allow him to prepare a few extra spells. ' So their is president for 'able to cast a spell' and prepare a spell interchangeably.

I really do hope you have fun playing, as it’s a game and should be fun.

I play Pathfinder because it's part om my therapy. but it does have it moments where the rules don't get in the way of my role playing. I just wish I could make a char without it being unplayable.

AS I mentioned else where my group is role player that like to see how much trouble they can get into which hinders our able to Roll play. between the not earning EX/Prestige points and half the players dying it's not looking good for playing anything farther than 2lvl.

People here are trying to be helpful since this is meant to be an organized play character, and other organized play GMs are not going to allow it to work the way you think it works.

I know that most GM's are going to issue a ruling that Oracles don't get the high level bonus spell slot. but I think it just as valid to issue a ruling that that can't learn high level spells and can use them for the low level spells they have as RAw. I keep asking "is there an unambiguous description of what level. with Paizos habit of beating around the bush of how the mechanics of the game work.

the only rules I got where in specific to the classes in Core.

And I don't like that the question about how to interpret the Core books anwers the question by quoteing the core rule book. It's obviously a common interpretation if it's in the FAQ it should be in the errata as a rule clearification. not just an FAQ that says "You get them at the level you get them. It's obvious to me what that is so if you can't get it you're an idiot."

If you don’t expect to be playing at any of their tables, ever, then play the game the way you want to play it, and enjoy.

For anyone else who finds this thread and is wondering, no, per the rules, you don’t get bonus spells until you can cast that level spell. See above for multiple citations why.

Multiple citations? they are just quote the core and the FAQ just give an example of the only class that gives a level other than 1 for when you do get bonus spells at a lvl other than 1 and even then is a clarification about the class description gives two different levels. to be specfic wizards don't get there spell level because even thou their class description says that they get all their bonus spells as base class feature it takes them back away again until they are given a spell slot of that level and then are able to prepare a spell of that level. from IMBUE WITH SPELL ABILITy:"You transfer some of your currently prepared spells, and the

ability to cast them, to another creature." So you see in order to be able to cast a spell you need to be have it prepared and have a spell slot of that lvl or higher. Since wizards don't get the ability to prepare spells of a level specific level at a specific class level, but from having a spell of that lvl in their spellbook.

I challenge you to find another intrepretation that holds that "In addition, he receives bonus spells per day if he
has a high Intelligence score (see Table 1–3)" it doesn't give a at x lvl so it's a base feature that happens at lvl one. and it not errataed out so is correct and hold that wizards don't get their

Clerics can prepare any spell on the cleric spell list and she gets that ablilty just for being a lvl1 cleric. "a divine spellcaster’s spell selection is limited to the spells on the list for her class" therefore she gets both the parts it takes to be able to cast a spell based on her character level. wizards get only half of their access spells of a specific level based they get the other half from their spell book.

Oracles on the other hand get the ability to cast the cure spells, "as soon as the oracle is capable of casting them." They get the bonus slots at first lvl and having the slot of that lvl is all that is required for her to be able to cast it. no addetions non level based ability is required for a which makes the rule that if you have the bonus spell slots then you are not limited to just preparing lower lvl spells in them. so the FAQ is correct when it says, "You only get the bonus spells if your class level grants you access to those spell levels. You can't even use them for lower-level spells." you have to get access based on character lvl which means you have to have a spell slot of the level of higher and ability to put a spell of that level into based off of character lvl not based of of some other criteria(like the spell being in you spell book). Oracles and Cleric get then spells of that level when they get the bonus slots so you don't get them at a lover level than you get access to those spells of the lvl. If you have high enough stats it just so happens that for some classes that that lvl is 1.

why do you refuse to say "You get your bonus spell slots at the level that too get a stranded spell slot of that level"? when we all know know that that is what it the rules are intended to be. and that a significant portion of new players interpret your phrasing wrongly.

me: oracles her their bonus spells at lvl 1 right?
you: No 1st lvl chars don't get bonus slots.
me:where does it say that?
you: the Core FAQ, "...a spellcaster must be of a high enough
class level to be able to cast spells of a given spell level..."
me:"a high enough class level to be able to cast spells of a given spell level"?
you: yes! see at a caster level that greats access to spells of that lvl.
Me:But Oracles are granted high lvl spells slots at lvl1.
You: I made this build of a wizard and didn't give his bonus spell slots untill he reach higher level.
Me:I made a build of a oracle that did get her bonus spell slots.
You: But that's not how we play it here!
me:Could you walk me though the rules?
You:"a high enough class level to be able to cast spells of a given spell level." there for the part were is says, "In addition, he receives bonus spells per day if he has a high Intelligence score (see Table 1–3)."
ME: that's a non sequester. but I don't want to commit fallacy of assuming your argument didn't prove your right that your conclusions are wrong. A broken clock is still right twice a day after all. Ok if a stand on one leg and squint realy hard I can kinda see it. let me walk you though it.
you: see you where wrong. please apologize.
ME: hold on a minute, I had to break half the rules on how you should interpret text and assume youre where thying your hardest to mislead us to make make your case stick? and text can have more than one correct interpretation. don't commit the fallacy of the excluded middle.
you:...
Me: Can we atlest issue a rules clarification?
you: sure, "You don't get your bonus spells at first level you get them at the level that grants to access to that spell level."
me:really?
you: what?
me:How about, "You get your bonus spell slots when you get a normal spell slot of that level."
You: no!
Me: I enjoyed the "The test of a first-rate intelligence" that argue both side of our debate turned into but can i get a thank you for holding up your side of the conversation for you?
You:your rude.
Me:i would rather be a helpful jerk then a good intended idiot that ends up hurting those that he's trying to help.
you: It's the thought that counts!