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I appreciate the responses so far, but I don't think anybody has actually answered my question.

Do feats that affect ranged attack rolls, such as Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot, affect ranged touch spells that are not rays.

I'm not asking about whether ranged touch spells are affected by feats that specifically affect rays, such as Weapon Focus: Rays or Weapon Specialization: Rays.

I'm asking about feats that affect ranged attacks, ie PBS and PS.


Skylancer4 wrote:

To clarify, it doesn't matter if the 'ray' is from a SP or SU type ability (as long as it refers back to a spell with the ray descriptor).

Also, if the spell doesn't mention 'ray' it doesn't gain the benefits of WF (Ray) or the likes.

I agree that if the spell doesn't mention 'ray' then it shouldn't gain the benefits of feats SPECIFIC to rays, such as WF: Rays, BUT, what about feats that affect ranged attacks in general?

Feats like PBS and Precise Shot affect ranged attacks as a whole, and so is a ranged touch (from a spell) considered attacking with a ranged weapon, thus benefiting from such feats?


laarddrym wrote:

I honestly can't think of any ranged touch spells that aren't rays. For instance Disintegrate has "ray" under the effect line and the description is "a thin green ray".

If by chance there are any range touch spells that are not rays, as a GM i would let any feats/abilities apply to those spells. After all, if a spell reads like a ray and the mechanics are like a ray.....

Thanks for the input.

Well, one example that fits is Acid Arrow (pg 239 on the main book). It requires a ranged touch to hit but it is not listed as a ray.

Things like a Wizard's school-based abilities, such as the Transmutation school supernatural ability Telekinetic Fist, is also a ranged touch to to hit but is not a ray.


Hi, I could use some help in the clarification of spells that are made with a ranged touch roll and how feats affect them.

I understand from the FAQs, that rays count as a ranged weapon and thus benefit from feats such as Point Blank Shot or Precise shot. Now, does this same apply for ALL spells that roll a ranged touch to hit a target?

In other words, if a spell requires a ranged touch, but it is NOT a ray, can they still benefit from feats such as PBS and PS?

Thank you.