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Rock_X wrote:

I should have been more specific. The referenced FAQ is no longer available on the Paizo site.

But it is: It's available on an image of it from several years ago: it's just not on the CURRENT site.

Can you really tell me that you expect anyone just arriving to the site to search the all of the previous version of the Paizo FAQ before making a reply post?

Rock_X wrote:

As for the assertion that the FAQ is from the Author himself, The post is not signed.

Never said that or inferred that. I said the author gave of intent on how he meant the feat to work: he unfortunately failed to get his intent into the actual rules.

You did when you stated;

That's a good point for figuring out intent. However, we have the author's own words on intent. This is a rules question in the rules section of the forum though and as such clear RAW trumps RAI. Paizo has said when a "feat says you can apply "effects that augment an unarmed strike" that includes "the monk's increased unarmed damage".

That said, I acknowledge that by RAW, you are right. There really is not much room to debate that point.

that's NOT what it seemed like, but if that's the case then fine. the only other thing I posted about is the availability of the old FAQ: It's simple to find on an image of the official list from years ago.

The reason I don't sound like I agree with you is that I don't agree with you position on the purpose of the Rules Forum. Like it or not, Ascetic Style is useless if no one will allow it into play. We can argue RAW V.S. RAI all day but the only way any of it matters is if someone will actually allow the feat in play. Which won't happen if the feat is overwhelmingly powerful. By RAW, this feat is too strong to be allowed into play and requires at least some tweaking to be viable in even 20% of games.

Rock_X wrote:

company that recently had to issue a new entry into the FAQs to retract an official post after someone in their ranks interpreted chained Flurry of Blows into two-weapon fighting

Please elaborate.

The source for this is in the Rules FAQ for the Core Rulebook "Monk Flurry of Blows: When I use flurry of blows, can I make all of the attacks with just one weapon, or do I have to use two, as implied by the ability functioning similarly to Two-Weapon Fighting?

Rock_X wrote:

I would be happy to refer to the original post in the FAQ, unfortunately, it is not available.

It's NOT unavailable, I quoted the ENTIRE FAQ in the post you quoted. it's 100% clear how the feat works based on the old FAQ.

PS: In the future, you can find old rules/FAQ by using the wayback machine. Using it, it's sinfully easy to track down things like this old FAQ: feel free to use it to double check my quote of it.

Rock_X wrote:

This feat would not exist if Ascetic Style was intended to be as all encompassing as the raw text.

That's a good point for figuring out intent. However, we have the author's own words on intent. This is a rules question in the rules section of the forum though and as such clear RAW trumps RAI. Paizo has said when a "feat says you can apply "effects that augment an unarmed strike" that includes "the monk's increased unarmed damage".

I should have been more specific. The referenced FAQ is no longer available on the Paizo site. As for the assertion that the FAQ is from the Author himself, The post is not signed. The only thing we know about the author of the post is that he works at the same company. A company that recently had to issue a new entry into the FAQs to retract an official post after someone in their ranks interpreted chained Flurry of Blows into two-weapon fighting despite clear text indicating otherwise in every single description of how that Flurry of Blows works. That said, I acknowledge that by RAW, you are right. There really is not much room to debate that point.

Rock_X wrote:

This interpretation would not allow the damage dice for a Monks unarmed strike to be used, but would still allow some one to use Amulet of Mighty Fists to augment weapons from the Monk Fighter Weapon Group.

Paizo's interpretation allows for monks unarmed damage. See pre-change feral combat training feat/FAQ with the exact same wording.

pre-change Feat:
"Feral Combat Training
Benefit: Choose one of your natural weapons. While using the selected natural weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite, as well as effects that augment an unarmed strike."

pre-change FAQ
"Feral Combat Training and Unarmed Strike Damage: Does this allow me to use my monk unarmed damage with the selected natural attack?

Yes. The feat says you can apply "effects that augment an unarmed strike," and the monk's increased unarmed damage counts as such."

I would be happy to refer to the original post in the FAQ, unfortunately, it is not available. I will instead refer to the Style Path Feat Ascetic Form. According to the d20PFSRD page for this feat "You can use the chosen melee weapon with any class ability that can be used with an unarmed strike, such as an unchained monk’s style strike ability. In addition, you are treated as a monk with a level equal to your character level for the purpose of determining the number of times per day that you can use feats with uses per day that depend upon your monk level, such as the Stunning Fist or Perfect Strike feats." This feat would not exist if Ascetic Style was intended to be as all encompassing as the raw text. Something that I could consider an oversight if they where not both introduced in the same book.

I'm new to the forums here, but this is what I believe was intended for the Ascetic Style feet. Everything not in parentheses is straight from the D20PFSRD page for Ascetic Style.

While using this style and wielding the chosen weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite, as well as (magic) effects that augment an unarmed strike, as if attacks with the weapon were unarmed attacks.

This interpretation would not allow the damage dice for a Monks unarmed strike to be used, but would still allow some one to use Amulet of Mighty Fists to augment weapons from the Monk Fighter Weapon Group.