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Yes! It works!
Congratulations, guys, we waited!
Congratulations, Paizo, you've solved this problem!
Maya, thanks for keeping us updated!


Maya Coleman wrote:
We are still working on this! Some were fixed over the weekend despite the holiday, but part of the team is out for the next few days so it would be unrealistic to say everything will be resolved today.

Sad but honest! Good luck to you and the team with this. Bad things happen, but we love you and what you do!


I wish you guys good luck and hope this bug gets fixed today!


Maya Coleman wrote:
Just wanting to check so I can relay this to the team since they thought they'd fixed it, you have received your codes, but you have an issue after that part of the process?

I have a "get code" button but I can't get the code when I click it. And the order is still marked as pending


Maya Coleman wrote:
I've spoken to the team, and as of now, these codes have been granted! Please reach out to us if you have any more issues though!

Nothing works for me either, and the product is still pending


I have the same problem. When will this problem be fixed?


GM Raymer wrote:
Today is the day of the release! Can't wait to finally get a peek of this module sometime today! I see it's on the database with a 1.0 version but still all the pages are unavailable.

It's here!


Great! It's here! Now we just need to figure out how soon the module will be available for purchase.


Exactly what it says! I'm running Tyrant's Grasp Adventure Path on Foundry, and I really want to find this art in full size... But I have no idea where to look. It's definitely not in the TG books. I hope someone can help me
https://ibb.co/dsrMP2nk


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This collection is full of amazing art, but wow, they are so small. Is there a better view somewhere? I am particularly interested in the Red Queen Guardian, I have not seen this image in any books. Can anyone help me find it or tell me which amazing artist did it?


I apologize, but I found some discrepancies in the dates, and I would like to get an answer as to which of these are correct and which are wrong. Just in case, under the spoiler, because this is, well, maybe a spoiler

Big question about the adventure timeline:
The timeline says the current year is 4725, but when Aylunna opens the meeting, she gives the date as 17th of Gozran in the year 4724. Who should we believe? If we should believe Aylunna, does that mean Claws of the Tyrant is a "prequel" to Divine Mysteries and to Arazni's condition that we see in Divine Mysteries? (her patronage of the Crimson Reclaimers is revealed, after the destruction of the Bloodstones she returns to a more lively form, etc.)

Not so important in a global sense, but important for me.

Geb, the Grave Knights and everything around them:
The Introduction says that Arazni's body only spent three short years in the Vigil before it was stolen (so that would have been 3830?). I'm inclined to believe that this is a typo, since the rest of the book only mentions 3889.
The entry for Seldeg Bhedlis mentions that he "fought alongside Arazni, then still the herald of Aroden, during the Shining Crusade." So he fought no later than 3823. If he went to Geb in 3889, how old was he? Over 80? Was he half-elf, and not too old then? Or is he human, and that's another mistake in the dates?
"Tyrant's Grasp" offers a different timeline (the Knights of Ozem went to Geb in 3870, though Arazni's body was still stolen in 3889), a different number of knights (seven, when here it says only six?), and a different leader of the expedition (Amaretos Barronmor). Were these details changed to save space in the book, because only Seldeg is important to the plot and not the other knights, or were there other reasons? I'd like to know how important this is because I'm running Tyrant's Grasp right now and I want to be sure what information I need to give to the players.

Thanks in advance for your answers


qwerty3werty wrote:

Thais (Cayden's herald) in hindsight find it funny that both her and Ragathiel went to Hell to fight evil for a bit and end up losing a wing as part of a contract with one of Hell's rulers.

She tried to use this as an excuse to get closer to General of Vengeance, but Ragathiel is terrible at taking hints.


A very important question, and I can't wait a couple of days with this.

This may be a spoiler:
Do we have a remaster of at least one of the Bloodstones of Arazni?


Erastil is like your favorite country, slightly old-fashioned but beloved grandfather who wants the best for you (in his own way). I mean, he's been happily married to Jaidi for ages, and he really would want the same for every one of his children and grandchildren (all the other non-evil gods, because we're all big family here... He makes exceptions for the very few he considers his age or close to it, like Kazutal).

Sometimes, like an overprotective patriarch, he tries to introduce those who he thinks would make a great couple. Sometimes this leads to misunderstandings. He tried to introduce Sarenrae, Desna, and Shelyn to someone to find out that the trio was in a polyamorous relationship... He apologized profusely. And in the end, he's just happy for everyone who finds their soulmate. It doesn't matter. Love is love.

Erastil wishes everyone happiness with their soulmate, and considers caring for each other to be the responsibility of everyone in the family. In some villages, there are tales of Erastil punishing cruel husbands and dishonest wives.


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The true patron of the Crimson Reclaimers is Arazni AND Ragathiel. No one knows how exactly they met (though it's pretty clear it was in the Gravelands) or how the conversation went, but they decided to join forces.

Arazni's story resonates with him as similar to his own due to the mistrust born from an evil nature (heck, Ragathiel will likely punch you in the face if you say someone doesn't deserve trust or accepting just because of their background), and as the story of someone he's called upon to protect. Ragathiel takes her "Avenge the wronged" edict very seriously. Unfortunately, Arazni would not appreciate it if someone else did the vengeance for her. But Arazni is a practical woman, and if someone offers to help her with vengeance - no questions asked - she will not refuse.

This allowed Arazni to operate with less attention to herself, and gave the knights a little more legitimacy. Sad but true - the evil former Lich Queen was a less desirable patron than the hot-tempered Empyreal Lord, and Arazni herself did not want to be worshiped.At least she avoided unnecessary attention then. Now everything has changed for the better.

If their interference in the lives of mortals had crossed the line, Ragathiel would have stood before the other gods, shielding Arazni with all five wings, and said that it was entirely his idea.

And now Ragathiel is one of the few deities that Arazni is willing to welcome into Fields of Resolve.

P.S. Their interactions with Clareth resemble an angel (literally) and a demon (figuratively) on her shoulders. And both advise punching evil in the face.


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Freehold DM wrote:

This.

Hi Set!

Oh heck I read this literally yesterday and then I told my friends about it and damn I love it. We love it.

Amazing


Two very small headcanons for the price of one:

Arazni's scars are still there. Behind the high collars and gloves. They may not look as bad as they once did, but they're still there.

The descriptions in Dead Roads refer to Arazni as a winged woman. First of all, I think it's a crime that after all these years we haven't gotten any art of Arazni as a Red Crusader, that should have been an awesome sight.
Secondly, Arazni probably went through A LOT while in Tar-Baphon's captivity... And losing her wings is on that list.


Hand of the Inheritor/Hand of the Vengeance? Or maybe a Hand of Emotional Support?

The Hand was one of the first angels to support Ragathiel - before he became an Empyreal Lord - and became his friend and loyal ally, believing in him when Ragathiel did not believe in himself.

When Iomedae became a goddess, he asked permission to serve her because she needed a hero and a champion. A helping hand and support in those dark times.

The Hand may be broken after the Ivory Labyrinth, but he's still a protector, willing to take anyone under his wing in need. I mean, OF COURSE he's Arazni's Herald now.


TheMountain wrote:

This is more a practice of how one can interpret the actions of a god.

The Children of the Worldbringer believe that all of creation exists in a fallen state. We were never meant to grow old and decrepit, be ravaged by sickness, suffer from wars and natural calamities.

The cruel, so called 'Gods', keep us trapped here, forced to exist in a cycle of misery as their playthings. Perhaps most evil of all, they betrayed and imprisoned the Worldbringer, who was meant bring about the next era of existence.

You probably know the Worldbringer as Rovagug.

The Children of the Worldbringer are almost painfully nice. They run soup kitchens, hospices and orphanages. They'll invite you to dinner and help you if you need it. They also sincerely and emphatically believe that Rough Beast needs to be released and destroy everyone as soon as possible.

How this manifests varies. For some, it means preaching the end of suffering and denouncing false gods. For others, it means founding Jim Jones' style communes (which more often than not have similar outcomes). And for some, it means trawling through ancient texts and rituals, to find the final clue to releasing the Worldbringer.

Absolutely cursed. Perfect. I love it. Please can I use this as an idea for an adventure one day? My players will be delighted


Set wrote:

Back before Jaidi was a thing, I had speculated in the Conspiracy Theories of Golarion thread (which includes multiple posts relevant to this thread here!) that Erastil, the god of families and marriage and domesticity, was... unmarried and childless?

Well, yes, he has been all of that since his first love, Curchanos(sp?), was killed by Lamashtu.

Before that, he was a much earthier god, and not nearly so Lawful, but he has, in reaction for his burning hatred for the demon that killed his love, turned more lawful in opposition to her chaos.

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Pharasma, goddess of birth, also childless? What if one or more other gods, like Abadar and Gozreh, are her children?

But who was their father? Or does the goddess of birth even *need* a father to make babies? (Probably not any more than a god of fire needs a tindertwig to set something on fire!)

Oh, thanks for the link! I didn't know about that.

This is amazing

Oh, about Pharasma. What about Atropos (one of her daughters) and Mrtyu (Death's Consort LITERALLY)? I was told about them a couple of weeks ago and I was shocked.

I mean, WHAT? Pharasma beeped a dead mortal and then made him one of her psychopomps? And that's Mrtyu?


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keftiu wrote:

Kazutal is a conqueror-turned-guardian goddess and acts as a mother to much of the Arcadian continent. Arazni was an Arcadian in her mortal days, led away by that no-good Azlanti boy and then led to ruin by Avistani knights and undead from Garund. Clearly, these two can only come together one way...

...with a parade of nice Arcadian gods brought forward as potential suitors, presented with the earnest enthusiasm and adolescent frustration of a traditional auntie and a troubled young woman.

It's time for us to start a "Kazutal is ready to be a mother figure for everyone in Arcadia who is younger than her (that is, everyone)" club.

My headcanon is a bit similar. Kazutal treats Arazni like a daughter - she is Arkadia's daughter after all. And while Kazutal tries to be philosophical about everything - children must one day take flight, leave their parents' home, find their own path, make mistakes... In Arazni's case, everything went horribly wrong.

Arazni is her youngest, most unfortunate and beloved child, who needs love and care so much. She has been deprived of them for so long.

And Arazni, of course, is a goddess who can stand up for herself, but...
"Don't talk to me or my daughter ever again!"


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Iomedae and Cayden see each other as brother and sister. They disagree on many things, have different outlooks on life, but they share the same mortal roots, and hell, try to hurt one and you'll have to deal with the other. Iomedae is always willing to watch Cayden's back (even if she later tells him what she thinks about his recklessness), and Cayden is there to support her. And he's damn good at heart-to-heart talks.

He is also one of the few who can call her Meda.


Morhek wrote:
My headcanon is that Iomedae is asexual, but not aromantic. She is not just a patron of knights and crusaders, but of the chaste, courtly attraction embodied by Lancelot and Guinevere, pulled between desire and dishonour, where the beauty is in the tension, perpetually drawn out but never consummated. She's also firmly monogamous, and thus flamed out of Sarenrae's polycule because it just wasn't working - Iomedae resented Sarenrae's attentions being divided and clearly not being the senior partner, while Sarenrae struggled with the idea of compassion and love restrained. They remain cordial allies, but there's an unspoken tension there between them that their worshippers have misinterpreted as doctrinal. She briefly considered Ragathiel as someone more closely aligned to her own ethos, but Ragathiel is too much of a Blood Knight for her tastes, and there's some resentment on his end over the Hand of the Inheritor leaving his service for hers. For now, she's content to be single.

I LOVE IT

Asexual Iomedae oh my-


Heralds have their own sometimes complicated relationships.

Thalachos, Spirit of Adoration, Thais and Hand of the Inheritor are good friends who enjoyed getting together - sometimes joined by the Night Monarch and Menotherian. Arazni was part of the club, but you know...

I think of the foursome as a party of cleric, bard, rogue, and paladin if I need to describe that dynamic.

Thalachos is the oldest of the party (at least that's how he feels), Thais is the youngest, and she's usually the one who brings chaos to the place.

Thalachos not only knew Arazni when she was Aroden's herald, but was also her friend. And was platonically in love with her


Since I mentioned Iomedae.

Iomedae is Inheritor. Inheritor of Red Crusader.

The sacred colors of Aroden are Green and Gold, the sacred colors of Iomedae are Red and White, and she did not change them even when she was a paladin of Aroden.

The Unyielding's sacred colors are Crimson and Gray. But she was once a Red Crusader, and I'm sure her second color was White. The color of purity and innocence, since lost.

And it seems that Iomedae is much closer to the interests of the Red Crusader than the Last Azlanti.

This is a topic I plan to explore in my Tyrant's Grasp.


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Zoken44 wrote:
Oh... twisted thought. What if Iomedae is the daughter of Aroden... and Arazni? Aroden ascended and started ignoring the Universe, leaving Iomedae to worship the only form of divinity that paid attention to her, not realizing that this divinity was her mother. A mother who was all but abandoned by the God they both worshipped, and then betrayed, enslaved, and tormented.

Absolutely cursed. I like it.

A little orphan girl in Cheliax who never knew her parents, but who found a mother figure in the herald she served, to whom she addressed her prayers and who was always with her, guiding and supporting her with her power... Not even knowing that the beautiful Red Crusader IS her mother...


So we know something about Cayden Cailean's life before he became a god: he was an orphan, he probably kept his parents' last name, and he's a good guy. You know, that chaotic good adventurer backstory.

Thanks to Curtain Call AP we know more about Norgorber (I won't give this information here because of spoilers and because I didn't read the details).

But all we know about Iomedae is that she's from Cheliax, and... That's it? Where was my girl before she joined the Knights of Ozem? Before she did Act One? I'm surprised we don't know anything about her family yet. Being a descendant - even if it's a descendant of a brother, or sister, or cousin, or great uncle, or some other distant relative, or even an impostor - of an actual living goddess sounds like a VERY prestigious thing. You could say she's not well-liked in Chilex now, but... You know, that Taldor noble who claimed to be a descendant of General Arnisant and Iomedae wasn't in Cheliax.

I'm just wondering what the forum has to say about Inheritor's origins. Or maybe I missed something about her. Or maybe Paizo has plans to reveal that part of her life in the future.


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Benjamin Tait wrote:
I believe Milani is Aroden's daughter, and that's why a chaotic opponent of tyranny was championed by and elevated to sainthood at the hands of the God of Humanity. Well, after she rejected that Elf half of hers, of course.

Iomedae is the daughter of Aroden, because Inheritor then acquires new dramatic ironic notes.

And also because Iomedae has these notes of a divine hero like Hercules with her Acts.

And because this is another thing Aroden could do without thinking about the consequences.


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I have a courtly knightly couple on my Golarion - and they are Ragathiel and Iomedae. Two too paladins for romance.

They feel out of place in Heaven, as a former mortal paladin and as a half-devil. And they have enough in common to find each other's company enjoyable.

They do not admit it publicly, because it would make one a target for the other's enemies, and because happiness loves silence. And they have too few moments of peace as it is.

And no, that's not a reason to meet, Iomedae is just worried about the devils and their influence on her homeland, and Ragathiel is fighting devils. And no, that's not a reason to meet, Ragathiel is just checking in on his former servant - hello, Hand of the Inheritor!

I just love the aesthetics of knights, a fighting pair who have each other's backs, and Iomedae and Ragathiel. Don't judge me.


Feros wrote:
MasterKobold wrote:
Okay, if his two goddesses are here, then do we get art (a piece of art? even a small one?) with the Promise of the Unyielding?
No, afraid not. While the two goddesses are involved, the story is more direct involvement or standard involvement (clerics, champions, etc.) Ironically, heralds really don't fit into the story arcs.

It's sad, but what can I do? Except draw my own art for my party, haha!

Thanks! I can't wait to buy the adventure, April 2nd is so hard to wait


I'll start with something simple and beloved - Eiseth and Ragathiel are sister and brother.
Eiseth is the daughter of Dispater and his first forgotten wife. And yes, the older half-sister of Ragathiel. This is my way of playing with the mysterious relation she might have to Ragathiel. Her quest to become an Empyreal Lord of vengeance and duty and her fall from grace is one of the reasons why the Heavens have distrusted Ragathiel for so long. Dispater is glad that his daughter has joined him and turns a blind eye to her defiance sometimes.

Ragathiel reciprocates Eiseth's hatred, and their skirmishes - when they inevitably occur - are among the most brutal.

Eiseth is what Ragathiel fears to fall upon, and Ragathiel is what Eiseth once aspired to.


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Exactly what it says. I am enchanted by Divine Mysteries, and in large part because of all those sections about the relationships of the deities with each other (the theory about the love triangle between Abadar, Asmodeus and Irori, oh my gods).

And I, my players, my friends and my GM friends have accumulated our own headcanons and sometimes absolute home-made fanons about the relationships between deities during our games. And I, like Yivali, became very interested in seeing how other people see these relationships.

So what are your ideas, headcanons, fanons, theories, and anything else you can share about the deities at your table?

Disclaimer: Please be tolerant and respectful of each other. Just have fun.


Okay, if his two goddesses are here, then do we get art (a piece of art? even a small one?) with the Promise of the Unyielding?