| Madpup |
I have a quick question about how the raging intimidation class feat for barbarians interacts with the terrifying howl feat/action and I wanted to get some peoples perspective.
So it seems the general consensus is that if you use terrifying howl, that you are simply using the demoralize action as an AoE, and all rules for demoralize apply. I don't particularly like this determination as it seems to devalue Raging Intimidation as a class feat but I can follow it until such a time there is an errata or an official clarification from a Paizo employee over the topic.
My issue is that some people seem to be interpreting that Terrifying Howl does not require a character to also have the Raging Intimidation Feat to work. Since Terrifying Howl has the rage trait, some people have interpreted that to mean you do not need Raging Intimidation to bypass demoralize's concentration trait. That seems incorrect to me based on the previous interpretation that Terrifying Howl just allows you to use the demoralize action in AoE form and that all rules for demoralize must be followed. And if the traits for Terrifying Howl were supposed to supper cede the traits for demoralize, then that would mean the demoralizes for terrifying howl lose the fear, mental, and emotional traits as well.
My personal thoughts are that its an either or determination. Either Terrifying Howl is a separate action using the basic rules for demoralize with its own 1 minute cool down that is separate from the demoralize action itself, essentially allowing you to use demoralize against a creature you previously used terrifying howl against. Or terrifying howl's rage trait doesn't give the demoralize checks themselves the rage trait and you are still required to have Raging Intimidation for Terrifying Howl to work.