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In a letter to Lady Gabrielle d'Apcher, 4 Erastus, 4712

Lady Gabrielle d'Apcher,
My apologies at being unable to attend your party before the Grand Convocation. I had most sincerely wished to meet you and discuss your thoughts on the Decemvirate.

I too have had... misgivings. Still, I fear that for the furtherance of our great Taldor we must do as we are bidden by the Ten. Taldor MUST rise again, and we in the society have at our disposal the ways to make it happen - if we simply bide our time and carry out our orders.

Perhaps we can meet at a future Convocation, maybe one not so grand, but still grand enough.

I wish you the best,

Locqucious Barthos Jr “Lugg”

PS, please return your thoughts with my messenger. I long for news of the party and the Grand Convocation.

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Lugg takes a deep drink from his mug and reaches over for his Djembe drum. Idly he runs his hands over the smooth skin checking for any signs of aging. His favorite skin the tattoos seem to dance on its surface. He begins to hum a tune and thump along...

Thanks for the ruling. I guess Sundering is NOT evil! :)

Don't forget that you can reduce the item to 1hp with Sunder, and a quick Make Whole later (super-cheap!) and you have the item. That makes much of this discussion not as important.

However, my issue is next level if I chose Greater Sunder. Then if I do enough HP to destroy the item (likely) the balance go through to the target. In that case Make Whole will not work as the item is destroyed, not broken.

Granted, my mindless fighter would not concern himself with such intellectual matters - but I care about my fellow Pathfinders... Really I do!

(anyone want to join my drum circle? it'll only hurt a little, the skin will grow back I swear!)

Hahahahah!

Mindlessly? Mindlessly?! Don't you know that all fighters know how to do is fight mindlessly? :D

(sarcasm of course)

See that's my core question. I get two different stories. Most side with the "it's available for purchase" but not all. I'm fine with it being up to the judge at the table, but I think there should be a clearer view seeing as we're all playing the same game.

On a personal note though the tone in your last sentence seems to be a little anti-fighter, or at least anti-sunder. It's a combat maneuver like all the others, and just as valid. The two-handed fighting system in the APG for the fighter pushes sundering in fact.

Further, if you replace sunder in your last statement with disarm or trip or steal, etc. (which you can I think without negating the statement in any way) you seem to be opposed to combat maneuvers in general. If the big bad guy is wearing +5 plate and the party can't hit him/her, than clearly sundering is a good way to beat the opponent.

Unless of course you're simply assuming that all I plan to do is run around destroying everything I find. So far a few doors and a pot with an evil spirit are all I've managed though I do have high hopes... :D

Enevhar - I should add though - I like the way you think. :)

Look, I think we're all missing the bigger picture here.

...draw a line in the sand dude. Across this line, YOU DO NOT!...

Assume I'm level 4.

If the module is written for tier 1-7, and you're playing up a sub-tier (6-7), that's exactly what you're doing. Playing up a sub-tier, if legal in other ways, is legal.

If the module is written for tier 5-9, it doesn't matter if your level 4 has a continual light feather and very fine hair - no playing with the big boys. He doesn't know the secret hand shake. The module is not for him.

If it were, the module would have been written for 1-7.

So, in my humble opinion, get over it. This is not Nam. There are rules. Josh has made it clear that the tier rule is important and to be followed. You want to play in the system? GREAT. This is the rule. Let's not make it more complicated than it already is...

I am strong fighter. I want sunder. Sunder good.

OK, so I normally don't talk this way, but I wanted to get your attention. I've heard two different - and in fact opposed - things from a variety of people and before I start throwing it around every combat, I'd like someone official to weigh in.

If I Sunder the big bad leaders +5 Plate Armour of fast moves, silence and stealth - does that take it off the Reward for the module? Does it reduce the cash gained at the end?

To be clear, I'm not talking about the broken condition, I'm talking about a 6th level Fighter destroying the item and taking the balance of their damage and applying it to the victim inside the tin can.

Also, to avoid side-tracking, no discussions about whether this is a good use of the Fighter's attacks, feats, etc. and yes I know most things are in reach with PA before they are on the list. For a moment, forget all that.

I think I want to be a Sundering Fool (TM), I just also want to know if I'm pissing off everyone at the table.

So, if I destroy something, is it really gone? A similar question might be, if I use that arrow of Derro slaying, is it really gone?

Lugg: Game time? When's that?
Azmyth: Pretty soon. Don't worry.
Lugg: Pretty soon? [getting choked up] How long is that?
Azmyth: In a little while, man!
Lugg: [crying] A little while? What'll we do 'til then?
Azmyth: Why, you could shave your yak... or eat olive loaf!

(Apologies to Ren & Stimpy)

Lugg wrote:

If the first change was say at 3rd level, and your character is now at 5th level, but you still want to change to the new type, could you do so - and just ignore the 3rd level change?

Nope. You have to take all of the features of the archetype, not just some.

Cool, thanks for the clarification. :)

While I agree with Josh's ruling both in spirit and in letter, a quick question (that maybe has been answered and I missed!)...

If the first change was say at 3rd level, and your character is now at 5th level, but you still want to change to the new type, could you do so - and just ignore the 3rd level change?

In other words, treat it almost like a prestige class. You started off as a happy little 'whatever' and found a new way of doing things. You don't forget what you know, you simply continue on the new path. ...or is the idea here that the new path is 'back there' and you're too far along?

Just asking out of curiosity. I was lucky and my character was under the line when the changes came in so I could change cleanly. Robert, I feel your pain though - but remember you liked your character before the change.