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Liberty's Edge

I have had claims that table variation will not allow you to use both Serpentine and Undead bloodlines.

Liberty's Edge

We were looking at this today while in session. I'm curious how this plays out. What is ruling for PFS? Are these Bloodline Arcana complimentary or independent if your are a Crossblooded Archetype.

Serpentine
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Bloodline Arcana: Your powers of compulsion can affect even bestial creatures. Whenever you cast a mind-affecting or language-dependent spell, it affects animals, magical beasts, and monstrous humanoids as if they were humanoids who understood your language.

Undead
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Bloodline Arcana: Some undead are susceptible to your mind-affecting spells. Corporeal undead that were once humanoids are treated as humanoids for the purposes of determining which spells affect them.

If Serpentine Arcana treats animals, magical beasts, and monsterous humanoids as humanoids will their undead counterparts be affected by the Undead Arcana?

Liberty's Edge

If they are optional then they will be treated as such.

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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Advanced Race Guide

To create an dhampir, fetchling, goblin, ifrit, kitsune, nagaji, oread, sylph, undine, or wayang character, you must have a Chronicle sheet that opens the race as a legal option at character creation.
Note: Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race. Racial equipment and magic items can be purchased and used by any race as long as the specific item permits it (for example, only halflings can purchase and use solidsmoke pipeweed).
The new alchemist discovery on page 44 is legal for play for characters of all races.

Dwarves: all alternate racial traits, except craftsman and xenophobic, are legal for play; racial subtypes are legal for play; all favored class options except wizard are legal for play; all archetypes are legal for play. The Forgemaster's 3rd level Craft Magic Arms and Armor bonus feat is replaced with the Heavy Armor Proficiency feat. The Forgemaster's 5th level master smith ability is replaced with Skill Focus (Craft); all dwarven equipment, feats, magic items, and spells are legal for play.
Elves: all alternate racial traits, except darkvision; all racial subtypes except arctic and dusk elves, are legal for play; all racial subtypes, favored class options, racial archetypes, elven special materials, feats, magic items, and spells are legal for play.
Gnomes: all alternate racial traits, racial subtypes, and favored class options are legal for play; all racial archetypes except experimental gunsmith are legal for play; all gnome equipment, feats, and spells are legal for play; all gnome magic items except amazing tools of manufacture are legal for play; Ring of craft magic may be used for Day Job checks.
Half-Elves: all alernate racial traits except drow-blooded and drow magic are legal for play; all racial subtypes except drow-descended are legal for play; all favored class options are legal for play; all racial archetypes except wild caller are legal for play. For the bonded witch archetype, energy siege shot is replaced with resounding shot (Advanced Player's Guide 238) at 10th level and arcane cannon is replaced with fire brand (Advanced Player's Guide 222) at 14th level under the bonded item weapon entry; all half-elven equipment, magic items, and spells are legal for play; all half-elven feats except Half-Drow Paragon are legal for play.
Half-Orcs: all alternate racial traits, racial subtypes, and favored class options are legal for play; all racial archetypes except blood god disciple and hateful rager are legal for play; all half-orc equipment is legal for play; all half-orc feats except Tenacious Survivor is legal for play; all half-orc magic items are legal for play; all half-orc spells except half-blood extraction are legal for play
Halflings: all alternate racial traits except Practicality are legal for play; all racial subtypes, favored class options, racial archetypes, orders, equipment, feats, and magic items are legal for play.
Humans: all alternate racial traits except heart of the fields and heroic are legal for play; all racial subtypes, except trailblazer, are legal for play; all favored class options, feats, equipment, and spells are legal for play; all racial archetypes and bloodlines except buccaneer and feral child are legal for play.

In Chapter 2, nothing from the catfolk, drow, hobgoblins, kobolds, orcs, and ratfolk entries are currently legal for play.

Aasimars: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial archetypes, racial equipment, feats, magic items, and spells are legal for play.
Dhampirs: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial archetypes, racial equipment, magic items, and spells are legal for play; all dhampir feats except Blood Drinker, Blood Feaster, Blood Salvage, and Diverse Palate are legal for play.
Fetchling: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, archetypes except shadow caller, evolutions, equipment, feats, magic items, and spells are legal for play.
Goblins: all alternate racial traits, goblin discoveries, favored class options, archetypes, equipment, feats, magic items, and spells except vomit twin are legal for play.
Ifrits: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial archetypes, racial equipment, feats, magic items, and spells are legal for play.
Oreads: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial archetypes, racial equipment, feats, magic items, and spells are legal for play.
Sylphs: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial archetypes, racial equipment, feats, magic items, and spells are legal for play.
Tengus: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial archetypes, racial equipment, feats, magic items, and spells are legal for play.
Tieflings: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial equipment, feats, magic items, and spells are legal for play; all racial archetypes except Fiendish Vessel are legal for play.
Undines: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial archetypes, racial equipment, feats, magic items, and spells are legal for play.

In Chapter 3, nothing from the changelings, duergar, gillmen, gripplis, merfolk, samsarans, strix, sulis, svirfneblin, vanaras, and vishkanyas entries are currently legal for play.
The rogue talents on page 193 are legal for play for characters of all races.

Kitsune: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial archetypes, racial feats, and magic items are legal for play.
Nagaji: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial archetypes, racial feats, and magic items are legal for play.
Wayangs: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial archetypes, racial equipment, feats, magic items, and spell are legal for play.

Liberty's Edge

Ya I an see that and I also see nothing that points the Additional Resources as Core Rules and a Must Read for character creation. It enforces quite the opposite.

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a huge variety of options to help you customize your character.

Thus why I point out the lack of a direct bold link in the character creation rules.

And yes again Step 5 and Step 10 enforce my point as they directly point reference to Feats and Equipment for Feats and Equipment. I would typically not look for races and classes in chapters about feats and equipment nor would I typically look if resource references defined as being for feats and equipment.

Beyond that, you ether get the logic of association or you don't. I'll ask the next batch of players about this for some input.

Liberty's Edge

Been a gamer for as long as I could read. I have lots of experience with many games TRS, White Wolf, Champions, WoTC, FASA, Games Workshop...

My interests as of late have focused down to Pathfinder. I seek to join a game that is serious yet casual environment. I'm in Concord area but willing to go possibly an hours drive to participate. My availability is unknown at the moment being between semesters. Just let me know and I will pass on more info as needed.