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Simple question, can Animal Shamans use thier +2 to wildshaping to effect thier elemental shape by taking the shape of an animalistic elemental?

reasoning:

Druid wildshape penalty to everything but animal-2 for 8 levels (when you hit lvl 14 and finally no longer suffer the penalty as far as what you can shape into) so -16 points

Benifit of being a shamen and wildshaping. +2 for 2 levels (as far as what you can change into) so +4 points. (bc it only gives you a bonus up to level 8, at which point your maxed in your animal choices, and you cant wild shape period till 6 anyways))

Delay to wild shaping period for 2 levels -2 points
net loss by choosing to be an animal shamen (in regards to wild shaping) is -14 points.

Now i know you cant break everything down into a point system like above, but it still seems like a rather large loss in the wildshaping department.... a 2 level delay to wildshaping period for a whole 2 levels of bonus use (understandable i would think) its that -2 to everything else that lasts long after your benifiting (as far as what you can shape into) that kinda hurts in the long run.

Now if you could use the wild shape to change into an elemental animal shape, (so at level 8 i could change into say, a large elemental earth bear) it would balance out a bit more, as it would still restrict me up till level 14 in every other shape, but also give me my bonus in my specification till lvl 10. using the point system it works out like this.

reasoning:

Druid wildshape penalty to everything but animal, -2 for 8 levels =16 points

Delay to wild shaping period -2 points

Benefit of being a shamen +2 for 4 levels=8 points
total -10 points.

there is another way of looking at it below as well

alternate reasoning:

without shaping into animal elementals
-2 delay to wildshaping (lvl 4-vs lvl6)
-2 delay to maxing wild shaping options (lvl 12vs vl14)
+2 lvl gain to maxing one animal (lvl 8 vs lvl 10)
Net loss, 2

With shaping into animal elementals
-2 delay to wildshaping (lvl 4 vs lvl 6)
-2 Delay to maxing wild shaping options (lvl 12 vs lvl 14)
+2 lvl on maxing one animal (lvl 8 vs lvl 10)
+2 on maxing elemental of one shape (lvl 10 vs lvl 12)
balanced

Now i know your gonna say ask my gm what he reasons, but im just looking for some input before then, id love to get jasons take on it of course though i doubt he'll see this (i think he wanted to eliminate plant and elemental shaping for shamens completely anyways, which would have completely nerfed the shamen)

and yes i know totemic summons is a big boost, but i think that balances out with the fact that you have a penalty that last 8 levels for a bonus that effect you for 2 (4 if you do the elemental animal thing) plus the loss of the thousand faces (albeit it its a crappy feat, but its still a loss coupled with all the other net losses)


Well, having grown up and been raised on D&D 2ed. I recently joined a group playing 4ed. Its ok, but i crave... no i NEED that old school feeling back in my life, so i'm switching over to pathfinder.

Now here is where the fun begins. I'm currently creating a wolf shamen using the information available on d20pfsrd.com , Though this is highly limiting, for the time being it is the only rescource available to me and is doing relativly well if a bit hard to wade through. I'm also of course using the guide to pathfinder society organized play to insure my character falls within it regulations.

questions:

1. Wildshape: I've read in various places on the forums that supposably shamens dont gain the ability to cast wildshape till they are lvl6. However by the wording on d20pfsrd.com it seems you do get wildshape, however at lvl 6 it only functions as lvl 4 wildshape unless with the chosen creature (wolf) where it then acts as a lvl 8 wildshape. I'd like to know PFS ruling on this.

2. Animal Companion Questions
I. Druid trick: Is the bonus trick provided by this available to teach them combat training/riding all together? or can only be used to teach individual tricks at a time?
II.Feats: If they become intelligent (3 int) do they retain any previously taught tricks none the less?
III. Languages: I understand that not having any intelligence means it can't speak etc etc, however its stated that Druids can Know sylvan, the language of wild animals, do wolfs understand that? and better yet can i understand the wolf if i take sylvan?

3. Monster/Animal Feats and natural weapons:
I: Can druids use them? I understand their mainly only meant for wild animals etc etc, However as i intend to use a natural weapons (claws) could such things as inproved natural weapon be taken as feats?
II: If so do the bonuses they convey while not wildshaped carry over to my wildshape form?

4. Weapons profeciancy: I know its not specificly listed however as a javelin is a form of spear, can druids use it profeciantly?

I know thats alot of questions, and maybe some of its been brought on by my lack of reference material at the moment. However some clariification would be greatly appreciated, Thankyou in advance.